Hey, we think that making a meme category when the leaderboard itself isn't popular doesn't make sense, and no molotovs will take more time and less fun to actually run, sorry.

Bruh

Nice

Good point. About the TAS first, yeah I exaggerated about it, but my point is that you can predict bots and runs, and well, for people who doesn't use tracker, yeah they can restart but they will need to make the run till the puzzle to restart, a huge difference within just restarting from the start, and making a save state (runners can save state if they use OPL on the ps2).

And about cheating, they can just trick the tracker with external programs, or just "photoshop" it to hide information, like speed, damage, critical chance, and use external programs manipulate the emulator to do the same things, and more like manipulate puzzles, lower enemies health, etc.

TheDarkened Rose, it's not that rare, you people just had to run the game on the USA version.

TAS not only means rewind and keep trying to get the best result, the SRT helps a lot and is a tool, like what did the bot picked, where is it, passwords and other many thing, but it could be just a personal belief, i'm not saying what I say is 100% truth.

I think you skipped something I said, let me explain again, SRT won't stop cheaters on Offline runs, I never mentioned Online runs, because it use is justified, keep in mind I'm talking about Offline runs, not Online runs.

You can't have a tracker on a PS2; even that the tracker benefit my runs, I believe that using tracker is a kind of cheating. The tracker benefit all runner, no clue why no one complain about this, besides no one is running the game lately. And I the tracker could be avoided on offline runs, which the only true propuse of it is to help the runner.

Good point. You can't run the SRT on another version besides the JPN.

Okay, with proof, please.

Yeah I was wondering if it was him, making personal insults, like always, but it's story from the past now, good try Hurriboy.

Ware, the puzzle is present, but you can not get it, it's not an "urban legend", give me proof that I am wrong.

No, it's not posible on the JPN version.

Ok Hurriboy, ok.

Just random, on the version 1.00v USA, I got the puzzle in less than 30 tries. But in the JPN version I made a lot of tries, and it is imposible to get it. I datamined the game and the completed puzzle on the JPN version is present but it seems like it won't appear ever.

Hurriboy, go on, I'm not stopping you, I don't "backstab" anyone on the leaderboard because I did not know anyone, are you gonna keep being salty about what happend like 1 year ago? Good for you.

The USA is NTSC, there at least one glitch on that version that makes Hellfire faster, just take a look at UhTrance runs on Hellfire, he has the puzzle completed.

Go on Hurriboi, just say what you gonna say.

Troublemaker for giving facts and proof.

I'm interesed in using the USA Version

Yeah, using SRT is like a TAS, and I know it wasn't put in the rules because of cheating, it was just to take adventage of it. And yeah I'm complaining and argumenting about what I believe; if you don't like to argument what you say because that's the way you fix thing, good for you, I will still complain about thing I personally don't like.

Now, people who speedrun on PS2, they should have a tracker too? Play the JPN version too? Is it worth to keep speedrunning on real hardware with such disadvantage?

The SRT only helps the runner (which I think it makes the run a TAS) and does nothing against cheaters. At least let people play with the version they think is the fastest, and keep the SRT for JPN runs, and make it optional.

And yes, maybe the times are beatable, but with the difference of version could make a bigger gap of time.

At least let people play with the version they think is fastest, and keep the SRT for JPN runs, and make it optional.

What? And why is the SRT necessary?

Online is not an argument on why to use the JPN version on offline mode, the SRT does not help in anything, because it could be easy to avoid it and cheat; and no one plays another version in speedrunners cus there is not actually a lot of speedrunners on the leaderboard, and yes there are WR with other versions beside the JPN version, you can check it by just clicking on the runs on the Level Leaderboard.

I know no one should know everything about the games and how it works, differences within versions, but lack of knowledge on runs that are posted in the leaderboards amaze me; a while back there was an issue with a runner and his run on Hellfire, and he had the puzzle completed, some people asked him on who he did it, he may not know what he did, but some people called him things after that.

Do know how much time I spent and figured that out? Less than a day, which makes me believe that people who moderated and moderate, don't actually watch the submitted runs, and make useless rules thinking they know about the game.

Just my opinion ay.

But this leaderboard does not provide any SRT for other versions besides JPN... so you are limiting people only playing on the JPN version.