Like i said in previous posts, Chaos difficulty only makes sense in ng+ and it's more of a challenge than speedrun material. In fact my first set of runs were just that, a challenge i impose to myself to complete every character on Chaos after i saw there were 0 runs done in the category and then came the urge to actually go for speedrun times.
I would love to have some competition but honestly also dont see ppl going for that category, so if a remove is required so be it.
I'll agree with Sunsaint on the individual character take, 1 controller, u run that specific character. That is what makes sense on a first glance. Outside of maybe spawns i personally dont see that much of a value for second controller cuz the biggest "issue" that i already see in the 1p2c strat, especially on Easy, is u'll be running 1 of 2 side characters, Ma Chao or Zhou Tai, for the simple fact these are the only characters with 1 side horse attacks and u can one shot every and any enemy with light attacks or 1 musou. Take for example Sun Shang Xiang NG+, i have an 11:22 run on Chaos vs Easy where for both current single and dual controller have worse time (i saw that UmiHime already got sub 8min with 1p2c and Shred would sooner or later also beat my time cuz there is no way Chaos can ever be faster than any other difficulty), this to say i could probably also get close to sub 8min mark by just running her on Easy.
With that being said, 1p2c already has more players interested than Chaos ever will.
Plus to the mini stages. I think they could be fun, every character is at default lvl with no items etc.. and would probb the category with the most diversity in character usage (until ppl actually start competing and min maxing wich character is best for each stage) but also dont know how many ppl would be interested on that as i'm still playing other games and dont know when i'll be back to DW5.
i think we have fixed all problems on the board now
theres new game any % easy and hard
theres ng+ on the level leaderboard with or without 2 controller
chaos should be kept as it is. always someone who is gonna run it so.
a new game chaos dont work out since you have to beat 3 kingdomes + lu bu and diao chan.
biggest problem was that people didnt get runs veryfied and that is also solved now.
I agree with Shred, I think the leader board is in a good place and am happy with it.
Having a high difficulty option like Chaos is good. Plus, there are mechanically different techs available - for instance there are no OOBs on Chaos and there is a bigger incentive for Rages - so I think playing on it is fundamentally very different and useful for the overall community to have. Toru Chaos runs have already provided me with multiple optimizations for unlock all characters that have/will shave off several minutes. They are invaluable for the Any% categories and are fun to run for NG+. So I feel very strongly they should remain.
I don't have much of a horse in the NG+ 1p2c subcategory. If I'm being honest, I did sorta run Sun Shang Xiang 1p2c mostly to make a point about how homogeneous allowing 1p2c for these mosou mode would cause these to be and don't reallyyyyy have a lot of interest in doing level runs in that subcategory. My instinct is that it fractures the already sensitive to fracture leaderboard and we just shouldn't allow it.
Howeverrrrrrr..... on the otherhanddddd..... NG+ 1p2c is actually the currently prevailing route of Unlock All Characters. Which means when you are playing Unlock All Characters you are also playing about a dozen 1p2c NG+ mosou mode runs (albeit somewhat inefficiently since Ma Chao is at varied levels and lacks access to a few possible items). I could actually submit some segments of my unlock all characters run as level runs as well and set the bar for some of these runs. I note this because it'll be a pain for mods. Buuuuuuuuuuuuttttt, if other people are interested in optimizing 1p2c levels, it would directly provide data for research and optimization of the unlock all characters category, so there's a good reason to keep it for that reason.
For that reason, I am neutral, and happy with whatever mods decide for 1p2c subcategory on NG+ level runs.
Let's just see where it goes- the adding/removing of 1p2c category is pretty easy for me to do. If we get more interest in the next few weeks/months we can keep it but otherwise maybe remove. Side note- I would love to see the new DW3 remake have a positive effect on the speedrunning community. I expect that will become a major game for us since it'll be playable on current-gen. Maybe we will get some spillover from that game into here?
im gonna run 1 p 2c a lot so. i wanna run it, its still very new to the dw5 board and i beilive we can find new stuff. and not everyone has grinded all characters. maybe only toru on chaos . dong zhao must be the fastest map iether that or gan ning . but i will see. maybe gan ning on dong zhao map will be broken. but its good its a seperate category . and not everyone has played all campaigns on the easy ng+ category
new game speedruns is so much harder. if you dont get good items/weapons the run is just over so you can grind 50 runs and not get any good attempts at all. its actually crazy . i also belive that 1p 2 c is very hard to get in to if you dont have big experince in this kind of games.you also need to multitask think about where to stand etc. being on ng+ actually matters a lot. mostley cause of the weapons buffs and the items.
i hope dw3 remake will be good!
i did 2 runs .last night . 1p 2c is so fun specialy with cao ren .
1p 2c is my favorite category now
i wanna try out zhang he, zuo ci and meng huo also on some different campaigns . but i think my main will be cao ren for sure . hes just so good , have good defense, poise , insane attacks. he basicly have a gun lol the shoot em up mechanic.
i also wanna pursue new game hard.
