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Dino Crisis 2 Forum  /  Are mods properly checking the runs?

VendettavicVendettavic

Spain

  VendettavicVendettavic
17 Sep 2021, 18:15

I have data of some of my recent PB that shows noone checked it.
I won´t throw names (and u won´t know looking at my pbs cos not just one accepted my recent runs)
I just post this cos months ago u fired Deadhunter for this reason (among others) but now it´s the same.
(Just in case, i documented everything)
(Read this as just a concerned runner, not angry or wanting to disturb anyone)

 

VendettavicVendettavic

Spain

  VendettavicVendettavic
17 Sep 2021, 18:28 (edited: 17 Sep 2021, 18:30)

And i said YOU fired Deadhunter cos it happened without warning, putting the new mods without any warning too.

 

RapixOnGamingRapixOnGaming

(He/Him)

Valhalla

  RapixOnGamingRapixOnGaming
17 Sep 2021, 18:51

Well for start I don't recall that to be the reason for DeadHunter being removed. After he was removed runs were reviewed and there were lots of problems though.
Second point, only FullMod have the "power" to remove moderators and after visioning the case they decided to remove him which is not common at all on SRC.

Said that, if there is a problem let's face the problem. Otherwise I don't understand the point of the post. What is the actual problem here?

 

VendettavicVendettavic

Spain

  VendettavicVendettavic
17 Sep 2021, 19:01 (edited: 17 Sep 2021, 19:02)

The point is the tittle "Are mods properly checking the runs?" I said also "among other reasons" (to the deadhunter thing, but this is not the thread, this thread is "Are mods properly checking the runs?"

And my problem was not the removal of Deadhunter, is that the new mods were not chosen my the community, but again this is not the point of the post.

 

VendettavicVendettavic

Spain

  VendettavicVendettavic
17 Sep 2021, 19:07 (edited: 17 Sep 2021, 19:17)

https://gyazo.com/b1a32ea6ed8a10fd16705bc37d145d4a u can see the reason of this thread in this gyazo. Again, im giving no names.

Edit again: The reason of this post is just i want the mods to do his job, im not wanting anyone´s head, that´s why im giving no names.

 

RapixOnGamingRapixOnGaming

(He/Him)

Valhalla

  RapixOnGamingRapixOnGaming
17 Sep 2021, 19:17

Okay well I will try to answer the first part, the answer as fair as my concern is YES.
If YouTube Analytics showed zero views that's not the first or the last time that that happened. Among other issues YouTube Analytics encountered in the past there is the inconsistency between the count in the Analytics Studio compared to the Video page (one showing zero, usually the Analytics dashboard). Delay in the viewcount being updated and added after long time even days. Data can be sampled especially if you try to go granular in demographic information such as location of the viewers. Literally copied from YouTube help page: ""if your video or channel doesn't have enough traffic during a selected time period, you may not see your data"".
I can continue even listing specific issues YouTube had only in recent month (i.e. https://piunikaweb.com/2020/12/22/youtube-analytics-real-time-view-count-issue/ ).

However, I don't think the problem is really related to the view count, but rather the second part related to the Moderators themselves. Being periodically brought up. Am I wrong?

Anyway, personally I have nothing to hide so you can shows screenshots if you have and want.

 

VendettavicVendettavic

Spain

  VendettavicVendettavic
17 Sep 2021, 19:25

The issue is not about the views, is about the time watched. And that´s why i waited 2 days till i have the complete data (that´s why im showing the date in the screenshot) I don´t want to say any names cos u can just say i manipulated my clock or i manipulated whatever. I just want the mods to work, simply. You say the mods are working? i believe you. I don´t have any more concerns have a nice day. (But i´ve been a youtuber for 12 years, i know how youtube works)

 

VendettavicVendettavic

Spain

  VendettavicVendettavic
17 Sep 2021, 19:31 (edited: 17 Sep 2021, 19:32)

"However, I don't think the problem is really related to the view count, but rather the second part related to the Moderators themselves. Being periodically brought up. Am I wrong?"

Yes i have problems with actual moderation, but this is not the point of the post and that is personal.
I talked that with you in private.

 

RapixOnGamingRapixOnGaming

(He/Him)

Valhalla

  RapixOnGamingRapixOnGaming
17 Sep 2021, 19:59

I don't know all the caveat of YouTube Analytics, but just for curiousity I random checked some of my videos of every game I ever speedrunned and all stats say zero hours watched......

I don't know what else to say. I have personally nothing more to add, but I think you should once and for all write a separate post about the moderators "problem" because I keep believing that this is 99% of the problem here. it is becoming annoying that the topic is brought up in every other post and never cleared out.

 

VendettavicVendettavic

Spain

  VendettavicVendettavic
17 Sep 2021, 20:05

I talked about that just twice, u are attacking me now and i find ur post accusing me of that offensive. I have nothing more to say. The problem of the thread is in the title, stop acussing me of something else. Thread ended for me.

 

MrMcsqueezyMrMcsqueezy

(He/Him)

United Kingdom

  MrMcsqueezyMrMcsqueezy
17 Sep 2021, 20:31 (edited: 17 Sep 2021, 20:33)

Just to jump in here in support of what Rapix has said - here ( https://gyazo.com/16dd78f8cd15e934d59bc7bf84fd4afb ) is a screenshot from a run for another game of mine - I know for a fact the moderator who verified it has seen the the video in it's entirety to verify it, as there was some discussion about a particular strat which happens about halfway through the run.

The analytics do not show this, however. YouTube analytics aren't necessarilly accurate. I mean, who remembers the days of popular videos being stuck at "301+" views for hours on end?

Just playing devils advocate here, moderating is at best a thankless job, though I can see how looking at the analytics can show a different story. Just a few cents to hopefully help in understanding.

I obviously can't speak for the DC2 mod team, but I hope this helps somewhat.

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  Dimension_BomberDimension_Bomber
18 Sep 2021, 02:40 (edited: 18 Sep 2021, 02:42)

I wish to finish my current job and to be the mod of this game again)) Hope, everything would be fine))

To be honest, there is a sense to make something like timetable of moderators' worktime. We are all living in different countries. So, everyone of us has their own comfortable time for moderating the game due to timezones. It would be very useful thing in order to prevent a situation where all moderators will be going to check it.

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NazzarenoNazzareno

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Italy

  NazzarenoNazzareno
18 Sep 2021, 16:00 (edited: 18 Sep 2021, 17:38)

As an almost complete ignorant, I wouldn't expect YouTube analytics to be that accurate either, especially with small numbers. I do aknowledge @VendettavicVendettavic 's longer experience on the platform though, so I'm not sure and can't just say for a fact that the data are wrong.
Put in this way, I find it a bit heavy of a situation? On one hand we have data of whose accuracy we are not all very sure, on the other hand we have... precedents of runs being poorly reviewed (by the current mod team)? I feel like there is a lack of mutual trust at the basis of the whole discussion, and it should definitely tackled, since the same could happen with (hypothetically speaking) a mod targeting a specific runner because for wathever reason they expect them to cheat.

EDIT: Also, moderators might have verified the run from your Twitch vod.

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