Hello!

So I've noticed that load times are variable (on PS1/Dreamcast) due to either laser quality, disc quality or type (burned vs original), or using an ODE, so we will need a moderator who is able to look through those consoles and subtract load times from any full game category runs! There is as much as (what ive seen so far) 4 seconds different PER load screen between two different dreamcast runs on the leaderboard..

Also, if anyone at all wants to be a moderator, let me know I will add you! I dont have much time myself to go through that process

I already did this back when I was a moderator for you guys. Currently, the rules state for both PS1 and Dreamcast that only In-Game Time is to be submitted. RTA isn't to be submitted, I wrote the rules this way because 1) IGT is more convenient, and 2) This exact reason, because I knew the loads varied depending on how you are running the game/type of console.

Edit: Thinking about this a bit later and I totally forgot about the All Tracks/100% Categories. What you mentioned can absolutely affect those categories, however there's not much you can do from a moderator standpoint about different types of lasers, or how the game is played unless you want to ban specific consoles. (Which will kill accessibility in some cases)

You could remove loads, sure but that's kindof a lot of work for a game not very active, but idk that would have to be up to you. I personally don't think it's worth it.

I think will have to remove load times from championship mode too. Im just looking at the example of the two dreamcast championship mode runs on here. the load times for me are ~20 seconds per load screen, and the load times for the Doggers run are ~16 seconds per load time.

When you say you already did it, do you mean these runs have that removed/only used the IGT? I don't see an IGT on this champsionship mode.

Championship mode already requires the IGT to be submitted and RTA to be ignored. The current runs on the leaderboard do NOT show the IGT at the end of the video, so I put their times as RTA. The reason for this was because these runs existed before the changes were made, so they're grandfathered in.

All future runs for either of those ports on Championship Mode only are to submit IGT, NOT RTA. However, like I said what you are bringing up does apply to All Track, and 100% categories.

I don't think this is accurate, unless I'm really missing something?

1- Question: How was the IGT time calculated, if it's not shown in the videos?

• Example, my PB (on my splits, RTA) is 38:08, however the leaderboard says 38:07.92. So are you saying that the IGT is only .1 of a second faster than the RTA submitted time?

I might also be getting very confused, because I'm not sure what run you are referring to. I don't see a run of yours with a time of 38 min unless I'm completely missing it.

The IGT for the current runs that existed when the changes were made were NOT calculated. They were just RTA due to them not showing the IGT at the end. They weren't rejected because the runs were verified prior to adding in the rules. It's up to you if you want to remove those runs to avoid confusion.

Looking at the board again now, I'm seeing LRT was added when it shouldn't be. Dreamcast and PS1 should only have IGT submitted, but RTA for All Tracks and 100%.

My understanding is that loads are not counted in the IGT. Only gameplay itself. If this is wrong, then there may be a need to switch to using RTA only for ALL runs to eliminate this issue, however this will result in console-specific issues like what you originally mentioned. Removing load times manually is another option, but will take MUCH more time to verify a Championship mode run, and probably isn't worth doing.

My 38 min run was obsoleted because I just beat it yesterday! But I don't think there is an IGT on regular championship mode, I've only seen that on MINI championship mode? Ive never actually SEEN an IGT displayed in this game on regular championship mode that I can recall.. Unless im also confused and missing something haha >> I just checked my dreamcast run, there is no IGT displayed at the end. Unless you're saying it's like.. hidden somewhere that I'm missing it

I see the issue, it's a mistake on my part. I just looked into and you are correct, IGT is only shown on Mini Championship Mode. Not normal championship mode. I assumed both for Dreamcast had it, I apologize. The notes stating show IGT on the existing runs should be removed.

With that, IGT shouldn't be on Dreamcast, other than for Mini Championship mode. IGT should only be for the PS1 version (Championship Mode only)

This indeed does raise the concern you originally brought up, but unfortunately my conclusion remains the same. Manually removing times is not worth doing for a game not very active. All runs would need a retime, and it would take quite a while to do. I don't think it's worth bothering with. This is just an inevitable reality with old hardware.

I actually went and retimed the 4 runs on DC/PS1 championship mode, so both times are listed. no big deal! it actually didnt take much time at all Now if the game gets super active and i have to do like 50 of those retimings... then yeah thats not going to be worth it lol. oh well!

That's what I mean lol it's def not worth bothering with. I would remove the LRT thing you added. It makes the board look weird. Especially on the PS1 board it looks off. Mostly cuz I don't like seeing that time difference. I prefer just the IGT but it's up to you I don't care either way.

yeah i had the defaults set wrong. should be fixed now!

Sounds good! I may come back to moderation soon I've been thinking about it. At least for this series. I've just been dealing with some IRL stuff that's really taken over my time. Now that things are somewhat better I could probably help. I'll let you know :)