Hi everyone,
We have had a new WR submission that uses a somewhat controversial strat.
The new strat involves pressing start at the beginning of the round to see what the AI is about to do and give you enough time to analyse and react accordingly.
The problem is, IGT does not record time paused, meaning that the run itself is a lot longer than the time recorded and could potentially (I think likely) devolve into excessively abusing the strat, using it all the time.
I personally think we should not allow this strat for this reason. However we could just make it its own subcategory if people want to run this way.
Unfortunately we do not have the manpower right now to convert the run to RTA, and even if we did, I'm not sure if its a good idea due to the differences in load times per platform.
If runners could please put forward their input:
Should pause abuse be -
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Allowed
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Banned
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Put into a subcategory
Thanks
- @Tenka
I think it doesn’t matter how much you ‘abuse’ this strat; you won’t be able to get a good time without knowing the AI’s patterns. And I know that some of them are pure RNG. We should use as many tools as we can to finish the game as fast as possible and ‘remove’ RNG from the equation. Otherwise, this category isn’t about how good or skilled you are, but rather about how lucky you are.
Thanks for your input everyone. I'm going to leave this for a day or two more to ensure everyone has a say, but so far the stronger consensus here (and on discord) appears to be making it a subcategory, so I believe that is currently what we are leaning towards.
If you are a runner of MK9 and wish to have your voice heard, now is the time.
It looks like anyone who has an opinion has said their piece. I have created the new subcategory for "Pause Abuse" and verified the new WR under that category. GG's to Mordafinnk.
Let the pausing begin!
Here is my late as hell 2 cents regarding the topic:
This game has reached the limit of it's optimization to the point where anything further than X-Ray abuse would make timing via RTA more coherent, not to mention that at a practical level, is just super boring to grind the game while pausing 10+ times each fight, so i guess it had to stop at some point and i'm glad you guys came up with a different subcategory for it, very clever solution!
chiming in kind of late, I think that MK9 has reached a point where shorter IGT will result in longer ACTUAL game times. It may be time for actual time vs IGT categories...
chiming in kind of late, I think that MK9 has reached a point where shorter IGT will result in longer ACTUAL game times. It may be time for actual time vs IGT categories..."
The problem is, its very taxing to add RTA to all of the existing runs on the leaderboard. Even if we were to only add it to a few of them, thats a lot of time and manpower that we don't have right now. I would be open to this if we have some volunteers step forward who are willing to retime at least like the "top 10%" of runs on the board maybe?
Furthermore, timing by RTA instead of IGT then adds in loading times as a discrepency. So now you can gain an unfair advantage by running PC and slamming your game into a high speed SSD instead, sorta basically making it pay to win. So you fix one problem and create another, and the solutions to load time discrepency are not fun. You either split into category by platform (see MK11) or do load time removal (which is 10x the work of just retiming runs). Given that we already have 100's of runs on the board and kinda just me verifying rn, I just don't see RTA being a feasible option. Sorry =/
That's fair, just putting my two cents and definitely would require manpower, and I agree with you the discrepancy could get outta control with PC being the main platform, we'd have to like use old hardware or something, not very ideal.
You should BAN this strat, It requires no skill, just spam the start button.
In my opinion the subcategory "Pause abuse" & "No Pause abuse" for this strat It doesn't looking good.
Thats why the BAN would be the best choice
