Forums  /  Talk  /  Able to Provide Proof but doesn't. OPEN DISCUSSION.
  MrRacingmonster

Hi Everyone,
Some games have a feature to show your Best time on screen like Call of Duty MW2 Spec Ops and Portal 2. I don't wanna stir up drama, but rather just get your opinion on it.

Most of us have phones. We can simply take a picture of our best time and put it in a submission. Now if you are unable to record a platform but can provide a picture for proof, you should do that correct? Some people don't do it as a game mod, and it does kind of make me a little angry because I can run a 1st place rank and it would be immediately rejected for no proof compared to a time the game mod has gotten. Another thing is they can run a full game and provide no proof but can give us the time down to .XXX. How can we believe them without a split or something. (I'm talking about world record runs and such, not ones that are in last place.)

I just wanted to see what your stance is on this. Thank you.

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  DelnDeln

i would rather see a video than a picture tbh.

 
  Ya-GGYa-GG

Video > picture > splits. Splits mean really nothing if you don't have any video to support it. Or we can add splits with random numbers, and state this is WR.

Maybe this is a hard point of view, but I think that if anybody is willing to do speedrun seriously, he/she has to get decent recording stuff, even if it means to buy low price tools. There is just almost nothing to analyze or watch when someone does submit picture & splits only.

I'm not saying it should be forbidden, but for me, it's clearly the poorest sharing you can do with the community.

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  ROMaster2ROMaster2

I always felt that trying to beat a proof-less record with another proof-less record opens up a can of worms that can't be closed, especially if one of the runs is from a moderator.

Video should always be recorded if possible. Like with what Yajijy said, if a runner actually cares about their runs being on a leaderboard, they should put in some effort into proving them. Even a video recorded from a potato will help in proving a record. Sure, it may not be an entertaining watch for viewers, but at least you have proof for your time. If you're in a situation where you have no means to prove your times (like me currently) then practice and refine your skill in the game until you have a means to. Of course, coming out of the blue and getting a WR in a popular game will catch some eyes, but at least then you can prove yourself.

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  MrRacingmonster

Yes everyone thanks for agreeing with me. Not trying to call people out or anything, but I have encountered 2 mods doing this and feel like contacting Kirkq about it.

 
  MASHMASH

A video with onscreen splits or splits provided with the video that can be followed are the best way to verify runs, without the video it makes it very hard to verify runs that could compete with WR runs etc.
Splits on their own are pretty much useless and even with photo proof its easy to shop or change the information to be incorrect.

I've had people submit videos and splits separately and with just a bit of extra time and timing the run myself to verify the splits its easier to tell if they are incorrect or not. They tried to submit just a video but due to pauses and the fact that the runs are timed RTA I simply asked that they resubmit with splits if they had them just to be safe and that was easy enough. mind you they record right from the console with no onscreen splits but they did time them manually with a splits timer app, so that was simple.

Hope any of this is useful, if not Sorry. =(

 
  BlueInfinity22BlueInfinity22

Proof is up to the communities. Some communities have a threshold for proof. Some don't require any at all, and some require proof even if your time is 30 hours for a 1 hour run.

Some mods I know will reject a run if you don't have a timer on-screen. Some mods will reject any run that twitch cut into parts. I don't agree with these, but I'm not part of the moderation for those games.

Seems weird to drag a global mod into it. But I guess I'm not understanding the situation fully.

 
  MrRacingmonster

Well frankly, I am getting sick of people refusing to provide proof of their legitimacy because they are game mods. I wish something could be done about it through Game Requests but it's not. The game Saturday Night Speedway was somehow approved without a video, and I thought it was required to have video in the Game Requests submissions?

 
  ROMaster2ROMaster2

I like how they both make no effort to even try to post proof. I also like how the mods somehow beat Racingmonster's time the next day without anything to show for it. cmonBruh

At least now racingmonster has most of the 1st place records. Gotta have the most world records Kappa

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  MASHMASH

from what your saying now is that your disagree with people being able to request a game and them not having a run for it to be allowed mod? correct me if I'm wrong but your saying that just cause someone doesn't run the game they should not mod for it? I though this was originally about providing proof for runs submitted to games?

If this is about whether someone should mod a game or not, I think it comes down to not just if they run the game, but more so If they are very knowledgeable about it. I think knowledgeable people of the games not just runners can be just as good as mods if not better then a runner themselves.

 
  MrRacingmonster

I tried talking to Dylan, and he refused to provide proof, and blocked me. I just submitted a run without proof (which I have) and he immediately approved it, I don't think he even watched it. But the entire board doesn't have concrete rules for one thing, and I have a good feeling the board is gonna be infested with no proof runs

 
  zewingzewing

A time without a video is nothing. Get with the program

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  MrRacingmonster

@GhostScrit, there's not a lot, there's a couple. They aren't world records so it's irrelevant.

 
  HughHugh

Thing is, ever since you have submitted your times I've been trying to beat them. Yes I beat them but what about the ones I don't beat. How can you say I'm faking my times when I can't beat some of the times the you have?

 
  MrRacingmonster

It don't matter, you simply refused to provide proof, All I ask is proof and you refused,

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  MrRacingmonster

So automatically they are faked? If so I would of done that for literally all the games on the site. I have been rejected on N64 and PS2 Runs before because of no proof, acceptable. Even with no way to record it. I didn't respond to it. It's a losing battle. I just thought it would be okay if I submitted a time because others have, but seeing how I do record most of my runs, it's acceptable to reject. In fact, to make you happy. I'll delete all my runs without video proof.
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All runs without proof delete.
But @GhostScrit, I remember you had a handful of runs without proof and were a mod for some of them (The Order 1886), so I guess those were fake huh? Anyways. To make you happy. I did delete all the runs without videos, except portal 2 because I did them with a friend

 
  HughHugh

I've had runs rejected for no proof and some accepted. Just accept the fact that people provide runs without proof and stop stirring up all this drama with everything. There's no point to it. All your doing it making it worse. Why would I fake my runs when I'm a mod for the entire Mario Sports Series. Runners there trust me. Your the only person that has ever stirred up drama with me since I've been on this site. If I faked my runs why would I be the mod for Mario Sports series? I want your opinion on that

 
  ROMaster2ROMaster2

Just because you're a mod of a game/series doesn't give you a free pass on your runs. If that were the case, I could claim WR on every Command & Conquer game. I'm mod, I've shown runs before, so why would you question me?

Ten years ago, lack of video proof wasn't as frowned upon because of how difficult it was to capture a recording. Now it's cheap and easy, the excuse isn't there anymore.

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