Valencia, SpainThe conversation went so off-topic from the original question I had, so if I need to stop and open another thread to talk about this, please tell me.
"I mean, conversation is sort of moot given that the game wasn't accepted."
I'm not trying to convince the mods to change their mind and accept the game requested.
I wanted to know, from the reason of the rejection, and from Liv's reply, which is the criteria they follow to know if the game can be acceptable to request a leaderboard or not.
If, after that, the conversation has led to where it belongs a game who is inside a compilation, is not because I had a temper tantrum or something like that. I'm not angry about the rejection, as I said before, I respect the mod's decision.
I just wanted to know the reason and clarify which games I can submit and which not, and how (inside the entire compilation, as a separate game, or inside the "original" game leaderboard), son in a future, in case I need (or someone else) to request this kind of games, there will be clear rules about how can be submitted.
"But, for the sake of conversation, I'm pretty sure if you tried to submit a Dragster run using the Activision Anthology for PS2, it would be rejected. So, for people trying to Dragster runs in the Anthology would have no where to submit times."
I agree with you.
" https://www.speedrun.com/the_best_of_entertainment_pack https://www.speedrun.com/action_52 "
IMO, both games are not the best examples in sort way.
I mean:
-The Best Of Entertainment Pack: All the games included inside this compilation were released before. I've never played one of those games inside the compilation, so I have no idea if there is a difference between that game and the "original" previously released.
But, in the case that someone wants to request a leaderboard only for TicTacTics, would be accepted? Separately or together with the times of the compilation game?
-Action 52: Aside from, IMO, horrible presentation (with a lot of categories instead of separate them as Individual Levels, like happens on The Best Of Entertainment), the games inside were "original" and never released before, so I have no complains about include all games into in a leaderboard with the compilation's name.
Each compilation will be unique in some way, but as Liv said, if they getting more strict about the requested games and want to have higher standars, these kind of game compilation must have an standard in terms of how to submit.
I mean, have a short explanation at Game Request rules: https://www.speedrun.com/requestgame
And also maybe (I don't know how difficult can it be) create a request type so you can organise better the games inside that compilation and more standardized : http://prntscr.com/kd4lld
"There are also multiplatforming games that have their own page very every specific release of the game (See: Tetris) Those sorts of things come down to the game and community, because sometimes games be incredibly consistent among platforms, and other times same titles can be very different. There is no right/wrong way to do it; but it's not really an "exception" considering many titles are listed in both ways."
I totally agree with you, each game it will be a decision take by their community, and as in Tetris each release has their own leaderboard, there are other where are platform are included inside the same page: https://www.speedrun.com/mk3
When I mentioned the "exception" I was talking of compilations, but yes, maybe I rushed a little bit saying that.
"It's not always so great on addressing an issue that would involve multiple boards and mods."
That's the biggest problem, but that is what I'm trying to ask and talk with all of you, to see how to deal with the compilations.
And it won't be more confusing if for the same game there are two different leaderboards? And one of them with another completely different name.
The anthology where is located that game is called Activision Anthology, one of the games included is Dragster, and following the criteria as you proposed, there would be two leaderboards:
-The first one called Dragster. -The second one called Activision Anthology, and inside their leaderboard, one of its categories will be called Dragster.
It looks confusing and completely illogical imo, because nobody will look (or would be less common) for Dragster inside the Anthology.
It's like if in a emulator you can make a certain glitch that is imposible to make in console, that means two different leaderboard or create a different category?
There are already multiplatforming games that are in the same leaderboard but in different categorys. The same game with different strats and different loading times. Why do you want to make an exception with this kind of games?
Only because it's inside a Anthology?
Also, in the case of Activision Anthology there are more than 50 games, would you like to see 50 categories? That would be a complete mess.
Or just made a common leaderboard and create a category for each platform if there is a huge time difference between them.
Thanks for your response Liv (and thank you too, Dangerless, I didn't say anything before).
I understand your point of view about that leaderboard without any game must be removed, but I think some people thought, as you ask for a run link in the Request game form, that they put automatically in the leaderboard (which make no sense as you must create and define a category first).
I don't know if you thought about that problem, but maybe there's a solution for those empty leaderboards, like notice the mod about that issue, or remove/hide the leaderboard after a certain number of days witout any run.
What I disagree with you is with this part:
"There are plenty of games / boards on the site that probably shouldn't have a board either, but an attempt at more harsher, higher quality standards shouldn't be met"
There's a lot of games that maybe seem generic, not interesting, or boring to watch (which in part is a personal opinion, maybe some person like to watch, for example, FPS games and don't like RPG, and viceversa). What I mean is that where is the boundary to define which game is better or not, and which criteria you follow to determine which game deserve a leaderboard.
Also, about "higher standars quality", as you said, every game in the beginning aren't optimized, people discover new routes and glitches after playing, trying and talking with other runners, and that doesn't mean that before that discovering the game was less interesting or has a lesser quality.
I mean, if you deny the chance to have a leaderboard for a game, maybe that will cause that potential runners of that game won't run it, have a common place to communicate between runners, and hence, prevent that the game won't "evolve" as a good speedgame.
And yes, I've realized that I said all that because I've requested a leadeboard of a 2 minutes game and probably everything what I said wouldn't apply for that specific game, but I want to request more games and know beforehand which is the criteria and depending of that, avoid wasting your time and mine if a submit a game that not meet the standars.
Thanks.
This one can be completed once you reach 100 points, which means a K.O. (and it's shown on the screen), so technically has a goal.
I've realized that is a generic game, and I respect your decision about rejecting the game, but with a quick searching you can found games as simple as this one with their own leaderboard.
Hi, I've requested yesterday an Atari 2600 that was released in a PS2 compilation.
Today I've found that the request was rejected with the reason I wrote as a post title (and you can see in the attached image).
I don't understand the reason, can you please explain me why?
Thanks.
I would like to request mod for Dead or Alive 2.
The only mod of the game hasn't been online for 5 months.
We remind that next 12th of August the submissions will be closed.
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Hi!
There is a Discord server for all the fighting games speedrunning communities, where we organize marathons and other events.
If you're interested, this is the invite link: https://discord.gg/xhhfbHV
Hi!
There is a Discord server for all the fighting games speedrunning communities, where we organize marathons and other events.
If you're interested, this is the invite link: https://discord.gg/xhhfbHV
Hi!
There is a Discord server for all the fighting games speedrunning communities, where we organize marathons and other events.
If you're interested, this is the invite link: https://discord.gg/xhhfbHV
Hi!
There is a Discord server for all the fighting games speedrunning communities, where we organize marathons and other events.
If you're interested, this is the invite link: https://discord.gg/xhhfbHV
Hi!
There is a Discord server for all the fighting games speedrunning communities, where we organize marathons and other events.
If you're interested, this is the invite link: https://discord.gg/xhhfbHV
More information added.
-Beat em up games could be accepted, but they will have less priority in comparison than more "pure" or conventional fighting games.
In my opinion, submit it.
And yes, the submissions are now opened!
Submissions rules and more information related to the marathon added.
SpeedyFists is an online marathon focused on fighting games.
This marathon will raise money for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, a pediatric treatment and research facility focused on children's catastrophic diseases.
We recommend to join our Discord since we where organising everything from there, you will receive all the news faster than here, and you can contact with the organizers more easily.
Dates:
Submissions: June 15th - August 14th, 2018 Marathon: September 7th-9th, 2018
We will be doing submissions through speedrun.com. You can submit it clicking "Submit game" on the left of this page.
Submissions rules:
-Tell us your availability hours for each day individually, including September 7th. This day will be added in case we receive a huge number of submissions, but it will take priority to fill Saturday and Sunday rather than Friday. -When you said your availability hours, tell us as well your time zone. -There's no limit on how many games or categories you can submit. Each submissions requires a video. -In a case of a race, each runner must submit a form. -In the submission form it will be a field to include the incentives (glitch showcase, difficulty, anything you think it's interest to watch or do, etc.) and the extra time you require in case the incentive is met. -Emulators are allowed (except those who are banned).
About the games that can be accepted or not:
-Boxing, mixed martial arts and wrestling games, as we did on past marathons, can be accepted. -Modes inside to fighting games, like Tekken Force, Chronicles of the Sword or Devil Within, can be accepted. -Genres or games with fighting games features will be studied individually. In case of doubt, contact any of the organizers. -Beat em up games could be accepted, but they will have less priority in comparison than more "pure" or conventional fighting games.
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Hi!
There is a Discord server for all the fighting games speedrunning communities, where we organize marathons and other events.
If you're interested, this is the invite link: https://discord.gg/xhhfbHV
