"As we speak, the leaderboard is currently filled with runs from different patches, making the runs unfair for those in the later patches"

This aged poorly, considering we now have access to all 15 cards on 1-1.

WAHEY!

I just got notice that the Speedrun.com Site Mods looked at my Everspace 2 request and did not accept the game (yet) because it's in Early Access and the devs mention "core gameplay changes".

I am in contact with a Site Mod via Discord PM and they suggested to re-request the game once version 1.0 gets released which I am going to do.

In the meantime, I added proper channels for Everspace 2 to our Discord. Please discuss Everspace 1 and Everspace 2.

https://discord.gg/RC48nss

TL;DR: The ES2 leaderboards will follow in a few months.

We switched to a new Discord, please join us at:

https://invite.gg/portalknights

WAHEY!

I get how IL time works on boss maps... but how do the IL times work on regular islands? Just go into any portal? Then why not place a spawn point directly in front of any portal? Where's the skill?

And what about islands like "The Gate"? Why is that a IL?

My suggestion: Delete all ILs except Worm Pit, Dragon's Lair and World's End. Only these 3 bosses actually have a portal that only spawns once you've killed the boss.

Thanks, ~NeZ

WAHEY!

Just an observer and not a runner, but... it looks like any% has a lot of runs that shouldn't be in there, especially if you check "obsolete runs" as well.

The reason why only one guy has posted a any% run yet is because we haven't routed the game at all. We have created a channel on the Discord so if you want to get involved, that's the spot.

About allowing the DLC... well, there are a few reasons we decided against that.

1. We can't force people to buy any DLC. Quarry doesn't exist in the career anyway, so all the DLCs would change is the cars that are already unlocked.
2. The "Unlock DLC" makes the game boring to play & watch as you simply choose the Firestorm for almost every event.
3. No DLCs exist on PC and PSP, so it would be like playing a completely different game there.

I have no clue why the DLCs were even legal in the first place, by the way. Buying a DLC to unlock all cars seems like cheating. It also makes most of the career trivial.

What I can see though is a NewGame+ category where the "Unlock DLC" is legal. That would only exist on X360 and PS3 though.

EDIT: I simply can't add a NG+ category. Speedrun.com does not allow subcategories for specific subcategories only. If I would separate console any% and console 100% into DLC and no DLC, these 2 subcategories would also exist on PC and PSP. Adding a "Any% NG+ (console only)" as a separate FG category could work.

EDIT2: Nope, that doesn't work either. Adding it means I would have to add more subcategories for the 4 versions and that would mess things up somewhere else (All Races, All Detonators). Sorry!

EDIT3: Yes, even with the redesign the site still has flaws. That's also the reason why there are no Survival leaderboards. Speedrun.com still does not support a point scoreboard.

I should talk a bit about the run.

https://www.speedrun.com/SplitSecond/run/znr31g9y

Going into it blind, I figured out fast that doing it 1st lap is impossible on PSP. You simply don't gain enough power with drifting as the GT12 can't drift. Hell, no car can really drift on PSP.

So doing it 2nd lap caused other problems. The AI drives slow sooo on PSP and they use cars like the Rumbler that are abysmal compared to the Elite GT12. To top it off, every little explosion kills an AI car instantly and they sometimes don't even bother avoiding obstacles at all. So I changed the AI to hard and turned on rubberbanding. Didn't matter much. Still horrible drivers. But it worked better.

This meant I had my first route. I activated the tower on lap 1, finshed the lap and waited at the busses.

1st issue The other AIs try to wreck you but as the GT12 is a tank on PSP all that happens is that the AIs wreck each other, pushing your forward, giving the next AI the next bus to explode which kills some other AI. I had attempts where I stood still and 3 AIs just... died.

Then I tried activating the shortcut through the terminal. Bam, 10 second time save. PogChamp New route!

2nd issue. Not enough power bar for two lvl 2s so close to each other. You don't get much from drifting and the beginning is the only part of the run where you can collect power with Draft. The AI is slow - so you either wait or you kill yourself to get behind an AI as you need some power and a target to use the plane powerplay on.

So I activate the tower, use the S turn to regain power, activate the terminal, use the jumps there for power and then either suicide or wait for an AI. If the AIs don't kill themselves, I can activate the plane. I had attempts that died because the AI are, again, horrible drivers and just run head first into the busses there. But that's not the biggest problem.

3rd issue The most frustrating part comes now. See, the AI often drives in the middle of the airfield. I had 2 or 3 attempts that may have been sub 1:55, but got ruined by the AI dying to the plane... which caused a cutscene to trigger and I missed the plane. I missed the plane like 8 times already due to the fckn cutscene that plays there. BabyRage

So my current PB is 1:57 where I hit a wall - which did not matter that much actually as the plane flies towards you anyway and I was far enough away from the AI so the kill cutscene didn't trigger.

Sub 2 HYPE

Sorry for replying so late, seems no one else saw this thread.

A ) In a 1P fullbook run you only have to get 1 grim, 1 tome. In 2P, you have to get both grims but only 2 tomes.

B ) You can select which books you collect.

Seems like we accomplished everything we planned here already, even the load time issue has been settled with the switch to IGT now. So as everything that needed to be said has been said, I'm gonna lock this thread.

WAHEY!

Right now, the maps are ordered as follows:

1. Base game first, in alphabetical order
2. dlc 1 maps, in ingame order
3. dlc 2 maps, in ingame order

As this is kinda awkward, how should we order the maps in the future?

Option [A] All maps in alphabetical order

Option [B] All maps in ingame order (tutorial, act 1, act 2, act 3, skittergate, dlc 1, dlc 2)

Welcome back, @ViceroyOfMonteCristo. :)

I hope you're not upset about me kinda taking the lead from you here. As I wrote above, I was just a bit angry why a game that is essentially pure speedrunning is so inactive here. I'm glad you're back though, we can reach more potential runners (and better times) if we work together, alongside each other towards the same goals.

Speaking about goals. There are so many active people in the Split/Second Discord and yet only a few have submitted their times to the leaderboards. As always, more runs mean more people are interested.

This especially includes runs that are NOT world records. If every track on every console (and both modes, race & detonator) would have like 3-5 runs on the boards, then people wouldn't hesitate that much to put their runs onto the board.

What I want to say: If there's only one run on the boards and your time is slower than that, why post your run? But if there are 3 runs already and your time would be placed at #2, you would certainly post your run, right? In short: I expect people to submit more runs if more runs are on there already.

1. If both versions are that similar and the loading times between races are the main difference, splitting them only for fullgame is perfectly fine for me.

2. No idea what you did with the Discord link - the link Rusty posted already expired, so I created a new invite link and added that here: https://discordapp.com/invite/Q3EbkU5

This link is for Rusty's Discord, it's permanent and it works. So... wtf? :D

2. Is separating X360 and PS3 necessary? I'm fine with it either way. It's certainly more fair to split them.

3. I have added a "no reverse trick" rule now.

4. Fine, done.

5. Fine, added.

6. Done.

We have an officlal Discord now!

Join us at https://discordapp.com/invite/Q3EbkU5

The thing is... we have "all Detonator races" and "all Deadline races". I have no idea why no "all race races" exist, or "all survival races". Question: Should they exist?

Yes, as I said. If a trick is annoying to do as the runner and looks like cheating and not like a speedrun trick, it shouldn't be allowed for the sake of pulling more people in.

Yo Rusty, great to hear from you!

Now to your points.

1. I agree with X360 and PS3 on full game. I have already split up the leaderboards for that. Do you think IL times should be split up as well? Is PS3 faster than X360 on individual, ingame track times as well?

2. Please try to get all the guys into here as well. All their runs should be on this site, just to get more people interested in joining the Discord and the general community. I just joined the Discord, same name as here (NeZCheese#1209). So yes, I would say your Discord will become the official one for speedrun.com/SplitSecond. Lucky, do you agree with that?

3. I am fine with Deadline being removed as it will only cause issues in the future. I have already thought about a way to remove PC & PSP from the Deadline fullgame category, but there's this one run from @EvilConCarne in "All Deadline Races" where I kinda hesitate to remove that. But I would be fine to remove the run to streamline the categories.

4. Banning the reverse trick in Detonator is fine for me. All my runs in Detonator don't use it as, let's be honest here, I haven't bothered to try it more than a few times to see how it works. I would be fine to ban this trick. To me, the "spirit of the game" does not matter. But it matters if a trick is fun to do - and having to reverse every time you do a run is not fun for the runner. If something feels like a chore to the runner and seems like cheating to the viewer, then it's not worth allowing it. So, once again, if Lucky agrees, I will add that rule.

5. The canyon trick is what speedrun.com is about. ;)

6. About the PSP version... it's not about who currently runs this game, but who will run the game in the future. As a PSP version exists, so should that category exist. It doesn't really waste that much space / time to manage, so...

7. Again, if Lucky agrees, I'll make you mod.

@Rusty_ is a PS3 runner. As far as I can see, the game runs really smooth on PS3.

How do you like the fullgame categories now?

That's a good idea. If you want to do that work, sure.

Btw, I just looked over the full game categories - why is PS3 and X360 not separated there? The load times are a huge factor in a run with multiple tracks. So I figured I split them up and add a subcategory for the 4 different versions. "why is xbox so slow?" should not be a reason for a slower time. I'm gonna go ahead and do that real quick, let me know what you think about it.

1. Sounds good.

2. I don't own any console (well, only Gamecube), so maybe someone else can help here.

3. I am going to open a Discord tomorrow, it's already 2 am here. I set up & moderate the Discords for other games (like Everspace), so I have some experience with Discord. I'll give you mod rights there as well. I'll link it in the sidebar here and open up a thread about it too.

4. I have no idea how Deadline works. If Deadline is similar to Survival or whatever the mode with the barrel trucks is called, we should not include it in the IL leaderboards imho. There is a way to set it up that the times are sorted from lowest to hardest, but I don't think it's worth the confusion it creates.

Yes, I'd say we definitely want to keep runs separated by platform. I don't know how the game runs on console, but the PC version barely runs with 29-30 FPS and is poorly optimized. Even with my i7 8700K 3.7 ghz and GTX 1060 I often managed to bring the game further down to 23-25 FPS. That should not show up in the final track times, but I wouldn't be surprised if it does. Another thing is that at least on the Steam PC version the maps end with Canyon. I simply can't play Quarry and The Docks because these maps do not exist on the version I own. I have no idea if I can even patch / DLC these maps into my Steam version. I also can't play Deadline either as this mode does not exist on my version.

EDIT: I just checked - not a single Split/Second DLC was ever ported to PC. This means I simply have no access to like 20+ cars and 2+ tracks. This means console / PC should stay separated: https://www.giantbomb.com/splitsecond/3030-25523/dlc/

Have you played both X360 and PS3? Are the versions that similar? Or is it necessary to split up the boards even further?

Another thing we should discuss are the IL leaderboards. We could add separate subcategories - right now all categories are simply main categories. We could have only 3 categories (Detonator, Race, Deadline) and 4 subcategories (X360, PS3, PC, PSP) that would then show up. The problem with that is that it then becomes harder to compare times between versions, so I don't think that is a good idea. EDIT: As Deadline is not playable on PC, scrap that.

I'd say we leave everything as is for now, but I set PSP / Deadline on the IL to Misc. categories so they don't show up if you have selected a map.