The new leaderboard looks very good and conveniently all on one page. Nice work! B) b
(woo first post on a new page)
Are there any plans to add an Omnipotent category? It can be considered one of the endings to the space stage and it can be done in a far more reasonable time than 100%.
I like the idea of omnipotent and also to replace 100% in space. I still do not like extra categories, I feel like there were already too many. Maybe if people have a run to submit for a category they want we can add it then. Force space ILs, I will replace the 100%s with omnipotent, the Space IL I feel must include any full game category, even if this means adding another miscellaneous category because omnipotent can be completed on hard where 100% could not.
Also, thanks for keeping track of all the rules for each stage! However, I feel just has Halo does, have a forum thread dedicated to rules instead of keeping them on the leader boards themselves. I think it looks a lot cleaner to only have runs on the board. In addition to the rules, can we change the wording of this rule: "Must use a new save file (any form of assistance though pre-made save files is not allowed)"? I have several issues with it. Because of it being so vague, I can interpret this literally 3 ways, all completely different. This rule sounds to be talking about ILs because of "a new save file" but modifying this says "any assistance" which for ILs would prevent what Halo calls "carry over." However any assistance would prevent premade vehicles to be used as I use in Civ stage, since those are technically files to computers. Depending on what we agree on and how Spore works, this could allow for a new strat I thought of that could probably allow a 5-10 minute IL space stage.
Also I have a way to stream Spore now! Let me know when everyone is available and I will try to stream then. I will not have to use Fraps hopefully anymore!
¤We will fix all rules in the near future¤ - Sotherogue
The "any form of assistance though pre-made save files is not allowed" definitely needs to be clarified. Are you allowed to use pre-created vehicles in Civ and Space stage and are you allowed to use pre-saved creatures with their reward abilities from previous stages in single stage runs?
I added rules to all the categories. For ILs, especially for Tribal, creatures should not be allowed to have trait cards or have Tribal equipment going into a game. The newest submission I think has both. I am a bit conflicted if everything should be allowed, and call everything NG+, or only allow NG+ for Space and call trait cards carry over. Halo makes this distinction but this is different game in how saves interact with each other.
Save files like tanks, buildings, and space ships should be allowed to be accessed before and mid game, but creatures can have traits that give them advantages in ILs.
I do not think we just reject the Tribal easy, but from now on say 'history free' creatures only for ILs.
Thanks, I am glad we had this discussion early before more people submitted runs. There is still one more concept/rule that I have been developing that is possibly NG+ but might still be acceptable for Space stage ILs. I will try to post it soon, it is still in the works and I want it to be as good as it can be, but since I see people are starting to post runs, it is more important the rules are fully implemented.
YouTube is failing to post a comment on jellsprout's video, so I will post it here. @jellsprout Great run, first on the leader board! The timing ends when the cut scene starts, so I would call it a 4:32! The WR is actually a 4:18 by rowrow_ in his full game here:
Thanks!
One thing about the Tribal IL, you say that Tribal equipment is not allowed. However you can access the Tribal Outfitter from the start menu and you can use outfitted creatures when starting this stage. If the main criterion on what is allowed and what not is being available from the start menu, then I think the Tribal equipment should also be allowed. Just my two cents.
That is a very good point that we can access tribal equipment from the main menu. However in creature stage it only allows you to choose creatures that would have come out of cell stage, without the evoadvantage cheat of course. I just wish Spore would have stayed consistent with what you were allow to chose. Creature Stage did the selection correctly in my opinion, and have a cheat to unlock the more evolved creatures. And then Tribal, Civ, and Space all all have a different system, almost like an evoadvantage cheat was in effect for these other stages automatically. I would prefer if were only able to use creatures that we could make in the "Make a Creature" option, which does not allow tribal parts. This rule would be fixing Spore's inconsistencies, but after more consideration the game does allow Tribal parts and I think we should, it is just unfortunate there is a work around to the game's own options. But that is the nature of speed runs, work arounds, glitches, and exposing bad programming. I still believe we should keep the honor rule of "History Free."
tl;dr I think we should allow Tribal equipment but keep history free
Just got around a 10:39 Space Center of the Galaxy Easy IL with the current NG+ strats! I am pretty sure we are keeping those rules. (Someone go for sub 10!) Also I have tried and I just can not beat the 4:18 Cell easy IL, how is everyone else in trying to beat this?
Thanks Tatinho for the motivation to finally beat that 4:18 Cell easy! My new 4:11 should be the official WR.
