Tasmania, AustraliaI'm rushing through a lot of changes, Ive made a few mistakes. If it happens again, just politely point it out and\or change it.
Thanks for catching my mistake, I keep forgetting that there is an ingame cumulative timer for GP's. Before I changed it, the rules stated an outside timer and an ingame timer, I knew that one of them was wrong, I removed the wrong one. Whoever wrote that rule was probably thinking about fullgame runs, where there is no cumulative timer. I'll remove that and replace it with in-game.
Poshact's old runs are weird anyway, I think all of them have been remoderated to use ingame time instead of the timers he used, but I think I remember that one of his runs is still posted with the outside timer. Maybe I remember wrong, that whole situation is confusing.
I don't think it really matters that the old runs don't comply, as soon as anyone runs that category they will beat WR, due to the advent of Kitoko's GP skip technology. It should be left as it is, and just turn a blind eye to poshact's runs, he isn't here to ask about it, so it is best to leave them as is. I'm happy for my old GP runs to be de-verified, i'm only interested in running 0.9.3 anyway. Those old times are a joke considering the new tech.
Without the GP rule change, the only two runners interested in running it are heavily discouraged. Standard settings are a necessity, especially when considering kitoko's video explanation.
Edit: I accidentally swapped kitoko and poshact's names, sorry about that.
I've been rushing through a lot of changes and getting confused, make sure I haven't made any more weird mistakes like that.
My first thought was, "Eventually, everything except 0.9.3+ will be misc" But I was completely not remembering about all the cool skips. With just 0.9.2 in misc is fine.
Did you switch 0.9.2 to misc? I tried to turn 0.8.x off misc and i got confused and I think I took it off 0.9.2. I turned 0.9.2 back to misc and left 0.8.x as regular, as you had it, that's probably the right idea.
I've turned on the "no vid, no did" setting. Do you think this is the right idea or should it be reverted? Imho we should actually go back and void any run that has no video. Imho all future submissions should be video and not ghost, it's too difficult to see what strategies are being used, when viewing a ghost replay.
Sorry this post made not much sense for a little while, I've gone back and edited it a few times lol.
Your Fort Magma skip does not work in 0.9.3, or I could not get it to work. But while I was looking on that level, I found a massive easter egg!
Fixed. I've gone with 0.9.3+ and 0.9.2-
Still need to clean the submissions.
I've also moved the Grand Prix categories to the top, and moved the obsolete tracks to the bottom. Looks good?
I grabbed a 3d background from the stk official page but it has waaay too much jpeg. I'll replace it soon. I'll screenshot something and crop out the GUI.
Fixed, new rules are as follows -
"Using Normal Race mode, Beat the grand prix using the default amount of A.I. An outside timer must be used to record cumulative time."
Looks good?
That's a massive task to go back and find out which version is which. I don't think every submission has version information attatched. Your idea is more accurate but it would be very difficult to moderate, perhaps impossible.
While we are talking about this kind of stuff, I think we should also rename the fullgame runs to align with the IL runs. Easy% - Intermediate% - Expert% instead of bronze% - silver% - gold%. bronze,silver,gold is counterintuitive.
I think the category that already has runs submitted should be named "0.x.x" or "misc" or "any". And the clean one should be renamed "0.9.3" or "0.9.3+", then resubmit all 0.9.3 times to the clean category. The old category doesn't get messed up that way, and it solves the problem of 0.9.3 IL slowness by making a mostly blank slate. It will just mean that some 0.9.3 times will be in both categories. I don't think duplicates are a problem.
It's a really complicated problem, so many variables. It's a strange solution, but I think it could work.
Renaming to 0.x makes perfect sence. A problem exists in that 0.9.2 and 0.9.3 are currently listed in the same category. I'm not sure what version duggles's IL's are, it looks a pretty old version. There are already 0.9.0\0.9.1\0.9.2\0.9.3, maybe even 0.8 runs in the 0.9 list. so switching it to 0.x makes more sense. But this needs even further analysis. 0.9.2 ILs are unbeatable in 0.9.3, thats why i suggest splitting them to 0.x and 0.9.3.
For ILs, simply rename 0.9.x to 0.x.x and rename 0.8.x to 0.9.3.
For full game runs, split 0.9.2 and 0.9.3
Full game runs may need extra splitting depending on which tracks were added and removed in certain versions.
You must run a 5 lap race to get the "marathoner" acheivement. %100 is story mode + a 5 lap race.
There should be a rule disallowing full gold runs in %any. A %100 category would alse be good, since runs already exist to be placed there.
Haha, thanks for pointing that out. I had about 30 browser tabs open and one of them was autoplaying youtube videos. I had my speakers turned off so I didn't realise. I'll fix that with the audio editor, replace it with some random music.
Edit: I checked my browser history, looks like it was this guy: I've been a bit slack on my YouTube recently, thats the second weird mistake i've made this week :(
0.8.x looks fun, I will definitely try it one day. All the skips are gone in 0.9.3. At least 25 skips were patched out. I'll be happy to be able to try them again on 0.8
http://blog.supertuxkart.net/2017/11/supertuxkart-093-released.html Final Release is out.
Looks like it is all sorted now! Thanks for your work on modernising the IL leaderboards. It is very much appreciated. :)
UbuntuJackson, your skip actually does contribute much more speed to the times on both versions. I devised a strategy for 0.9.3 using a combination of both yours and Kitokofox's strategies (plus a little bit of my flavour on top just for a little extra zestiness) It might be possible to do a short hop over the larger part of the river, to enable a better drift over the "finish line" which seems to be attatched to the farthest little bush from the post.
If I had to guess, I would say that the final release of 0.9.3 is very very close, perhaps merely days away. https://github.com/supertuxkart/stk-code/milestone/12 https://github.com/supertuxkart/stk-code/issues/3041
