This has been brought up repeatedly and the response is still that there are greater priorities at the moment, like clearing up bugs with the redesign. If you want to be social, get a Discord account and join a community server.
comments on runs would only mean more work for moderators (and also more places for spam bots) also i doubt that it would be the best place to ask for strats and such, especially when there's discord communities or a forum on each leaderboard
The mods of every game could moderate the comments on their own games. And telling people to use discord when someone wants to make a quick comment about the run would be equivalent to joining a skype chat group to leave a youtube comment. In the case speedrun.com though the chat group might not even exist.
I understand that there are other priorities right now, but in my opinion messaging and being able to comment on runs should move up the priority list as a change of that nature would make the site much more accessible and the community way more engaging.
@Uniwersal you really think mods want to waste their time looking over comments in runs, discord is a thing. i can tell you one thing i dont want to have to watch over all comments in all 16 games i moderate in, and im probably the biggest no lifer on this site with so much free time. and imagine being a moderator of super mario 64 or super mario odyssey or some big game like that, are you out of your mind
@afnannen136 I really don't see the big deal. I don't know of another site that hosts videos where people would freak out about being able to comment. Most people who actively watch speedruns and go through the trouble of making an account or running games here are fairly nice. Sure there will be a rotten apple or two but the benefits that come with new social aspect far outweighs the few rotten apples.
Also the comments are a passive feature, not something that has to be monitored 24/7. If you don't want to check on 16 games then don't. Be a mod in 3 or 4 of your favourite games instead. Or just reach a consensus with the other mods about what task each mod focuses on. If you decided to be a mod in a ridiculous amount of games then it's not really the fault of the community, but your choice.
Another option - mods wouldn't even need to check the comments. Could just have a simple like/dislike on comments and if a comment reaches a certain dislike ratio compared to likes (Let's say 1 like to 5 dislikes) then it can just become hidden, kinda like a spoiler tag. I remember youtube long time ago had something similar in place.
There's probably many better ways of implementing it. I care about the site and I'm convinced that it's beneficial to the community as a whole.
@Uniwersal theres a feature for linking community discord above streams for a reason, comment on youtube, comment on a twitch vod, its not hard, if you really think that way im not gonna waste my time explaining this too you. There is really no reason why i should have to unmod myself from games just to avoid the huge amount of pointless work that comes with this. if this feature was to come into play can you imagine how many moderators would be needed for oh lets say super mario 64 and how many users would unmod themselves, not to mention this thread would blow up with request due to this feature https://www.speedrun.com/The_Site/thread/dueac
@afnannen136 I feel like you didn't even read what I had written...
The point was that your fear of modders even having to moderate comments on videos is unwarranted. I even proposed of a way that wouldn't require anyone to mod. And secondly I stated that there may be better ways of improving this system to begin with. For example here's another idea. If you really want modders to check on comments (because I guess you distrust the speedrunning community to do so for some reason), new type of modder could be added. We have Super mods, regular mods and verifiers so could add a lower tier that can deal with comments. Games like super mario 64 have large enough of a community and the current mods know what players have been active and are trustworthy enough to be on the look out for comments that are in poor taste.
Again, the details of how this system could be made possible so that everyone would be happy would have to be sorted out, but disregarding it right away without even accepting comments as a possibility is just in poor taste and not very progressive.
[quote]Another option - mods wouldn't even need to check the comments. Could just have a simple like/dislike on comments and if a comment reaches a certain dislike ratio compared to likes (Let's say 1 like to 5 dislikes) then it can just become hidden, kinda like a spoiler tag. I remember youtube long time ago had something similar in place.[/quote]
so basically on leaderboards without more than 5 runners this wouldn't work, the spam would just stay
[quote]If you decided to be a mod in a ridiculous amount of games then it's not really the fault of the community, but your choice.[/quote]
sometimes people become moderator because the old moderators are inactive, in wich case it's not a choice, just a consequence (someone had to approve the run, but the old moderator was inactive and thus had to be replaced)
anyway, there's been a lot of topics about this already, and it's always the same thing : barely anyone would be fine with such a feature, and it's easy to understand why most people would be against it
It’s not a revolutionary idea, no, but it’s also redundant for a site like this. This site hosts videos that exist on sites where comments are mostly supported. YouTube already has a robust comment system, so why not just leverage that?
Sure, Twitch may not have a comment system in place, and it’s definitely the second most popular way to post runs here, but there’s still better ways to contact a runner there (like through a message in their chat when they stream again).
It’s been a common thought whenever this idea comes up that it’s not necessarily a bad idea, it would just introduce more headaches than benefits. There’s other things the site can focus on that would be infinitely more useful than trying to find the best way to introduce a comment system (heck, messaging on the site would serve a comment section’s purpose too). All in all, you’re better off using the site where the video is hosted to communicate with the runner (or one of their social media links).
[quote]Another option - mods wouldn't even need to check the comments. Could just have a simple like/dislike on comments and if a comment reaches a certain dislike ratio compared to likes (Let's say 1 like to 5 dislikes) then it can just become hidden, kinda like a spoiler tag. I remember youtube long time ago had something similar in place.[/quote]
[quote]so basically on leaderboards without more than 5 runners this wouldn't work, the spam would just stay[/quote] First of all you the like/dislikes could be done by anyone interested in watching the video, not just the runners of the game, so it really has no bearing on how many runners a game has. Secondly it would have no effect on spam as by including the feature to comment won't suddenly increase the amount of spam the site gets and it would be reported exactly the same way as it is right now. If anything then it could help in reducing the amount of spam on display since through dislikes it would become hidden like a spoiler tag as I mentioned earlier and thus can be dealt with even before having to wait for a full mod to deal with it as we do now.
[quote]sometimes people become moderator because the old moderators are inactive, in wich case it's not a choice, just a consequence (someone had to approve the run, but the old moderator was inactive and thus had to be replaced)[/quote] No can force you to become a moderator, no matter the circumstance. Being a moderator is a responsibility that is taken upon by the user by choice. If a game has a moderator that has become inactive, then removing that mod from that position is completely justified. A game can be without a moderator until someone comes along that is interested in playing the game and for being the only person keeping the game alive, they are more than justified in being a mod for that game.
[quote]anyway, there's been a lot of topics about this already, and it's always the same thing : barely anyone would be fine with such a feature, and it's easy to understand why most people would be against it[/quote] What you said here, proves the opposite. The fact that this topic keeps popping up over and over shows that people care and therefore is something worth talking about. The main question here is "Is it beneficial for the site?" and every argument that states why this is a bad idea, I've come up with a solution, most of which are being used by other sites. I'm just one guy and there's certainly way cleverer and more intuitive people on this site than me. I have nothing against constructive criticism against the idea of messages/comments but I really dislike half-hearted pessimistic bad arguments.
Hey Timmi, about what you said. [quote]It’s not a revolutionary idea, no, but it’s also redundant for a site like this. This site hosts videos that exist on sites where comments are mostly supported. YouTube already has a robust comment system, so why not just leverage that?[/quote] There's tons of sites that use videos or pictures from other sites but they still hold the comments on their own site. Easiest example would be almost every news site that pulls a lot of videos and pictures from external hosting sites such as youtube, but they still have their own comment sections which get a lot of feedback. Why would we not want to have everything speedrun related on a speedrunning site where like minded people gather and instead rely on sites like youtube and twitch which also are banned for certain countries.
[quote]It’s been a common thought whenever this idea comes up that it’s not necessarily a bad idea, it would just introduce more headaches than benefits. There’s other things the site can focus on that would be infinitely more useful than trying to find the best way to introduce a comment system[/quote] I can't see any headaches bad enough that would arise from the implementation of comments that doesn't have an easy solution. Your are welcome to enlighten me. Also I do wonder what other things the site puts their future focus on that is more beneficial than giving the people a better way to express themselves.
[quote=Hyperborean]Ok Timmy but a lot of runs do not have videos, as runners create so many runs they will not make videos for every run.[/quote] This is a valid point. However, many games require video, so yes, people will create videos for every run they do. The number of games not requiring video is probably not that high outside of maybe mobile gaming where screenshots might suffice.
Also, the forums still do see spam, but it gets cleaned up fast due to the diligent work of the site mods (and even then bots can stick around for a couple days if a site mod is busy). It used to be worse, but it’s still here.
[quote=Uniwersal]I can't see any headaches bad enough that would arise from the implementation of comments that doesn't have an easy solution.[/quote] This point has already been beaten dead, but the forums already get spammed as it is, adding another avenue for people to spam, and for bots to post, is a headache. Granted, the site has gotten less spam once the rule of needing to be a user for 10 minutes was put into place, but bots stop find a way around it. Again, it’s not unworkable nor is it a bad idea, but
[quote=Uniwersal]I do wonder what other things the site puts their future focus on that is more beneficial than giving the people a better way to express themselves.[/quote] The site already has ways to express yourself through customizable profiles, social media links, customizable games and forums, so that point is moot.
As for other things the site can focus on: Messages, Multiple LBs under one game, Variables that can be applied to certain categories instead of all, Enhancements to IL boards, Fixing bugs that persist in the new layout, Ability to move runs without needing to resubmit them, Ability for mods to backup LBs independent of the site to facilitate easier restoration.
That’s just a handful of long standing QoL things that the site would benefit from immensely more than adding a comment section to videos.
Again, it’s not that this is a bad idea or an impossible one to implement/control from spam, it’s just (mostly) redundant right now as there are ways to still comment on runs through other means, and the site can use a lot more user friendly QoL boosts.