Using Consoles, not Emulator.
7 years ago

I guess this is not a new question here, but...

If I play N64 games in my Nintendo Wii the run is considered to be a Run played on a N64 console the same? Or is it considered emulation?

I don't have a Psone. If I play a Psone game on my PS2 when I upload the run I can say I captured it from a psone?

No differences?

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xDrHellx
He/Him, It/Its
7 years ago

That'd just be WiiVC, so... "official" emulation, kinda. Since technically Virtual Console IS emulation.

As for PS1 game on PS2, no, if you're using PS2, then you have to mention that you played it on PS2 (most of the time you should be able to just select PS2 as the console when submitting runs).

As for differences, well i think PS1 games can run a bit faster on PS2, mostly because of loading times. Still, i'm not sure if that's for all games.

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Thanks, xDrHellx

So Virtual console is emulation. As for retro compatibilty using the CDs I should just mention I played on the Ps2.

Thanks!

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Antarctica

Just a note about the Wii VC thing - there is a difference between Wii VC and running an emulator on the Wii.

It is possible to install SNES and NES emulators on the Wii via Homebrew (there might be an N64 one too) and if you play a game through those, then it is not Wii VC, it's emu. If you're playing the game from an installed channel, then it's from Wii VC. Just wanted to make sure that distinction was clear since it is possible to do emu on a Wii (but for what it's worth, the emus run much slower than console and should never be used).

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Is there any example of retro-compatibility which would be not emulation? just for the curious of it

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England

Virtual Console is pretty much what people mean when you hear the term "Official emulator', whereas normal emulators ran as PC programs are Unofficial.

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FurryWulfz. Good remind about PS1 and PS2 discs in PS3. So with PS1 disc in PS2 I just would have to prove that I'm not using fast-disc speed or something right

The only other hardware back compatibilities I can think of now are:

NES cartridge on SNES using a adapter Master System cartridge on Genesis using a adapter Game boy cartridges on SNEs using a adapter

I guess those are okay too?

Antarctica

I've never heard of playing an NES cart on a SNES, I have no idea how legitimate that is but I highly doubt it's allowed in NES speedrunning.

And Gameboy Games are only allowed to be played on a SNES through the use of SuperGameBoy 2. The SuperGameBoy 1 ran games faster than a real GB, so you must use the SGB 2 (which is JP only so you need to remove the tabs in an American SNES to use it).

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On the topic of NES adapters, the only time I know of where a 3rd party adapter is allowed is when you use a 72-60pin converter to play an NES game on a Famicom (or vice versa but that is harder). That's allowed since the two consoles are the same hardware, just different pins (and the Famicom has the benefit of stereo sound).

But other than that Furry is right - 3rd party adapters to do backwards compatibility is almost always banned.

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Timmiluvs "I've never heard of playing an NES cart on a SNES, I have no idea how legitimate that is but I highly doubt it's allowed in NES speedrunning. "

if I'm not wrong I've heard the Angry Videogame Nerd talking about an unofficial adapter that runs NES cartridges on SNES. But unlike the Sega counterpart, the master system on genesis (which is official by Sega), this one is not licensed by Nintendo.

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Ontario, Canada

In the case of submitting games played on newer console hardware officially that could affect time, generally you would juse make sure that the proper console was selected for what it was played on. An example of the ps1 games either being played as a digital psn version to the actual game disc playing in a ps3 there may be some slight difference in load times but from my current testing it's not noticeable for most of the games. I would just make sure that you possibly mention in the comments if it was played as the official digital version or physical if there would be a discrepancy. The official digital versions of the psn games are pretty much an exact rip of the on disc iso so there is almost 0 difference when it comes to psn versions over the physical. But as for all other games that have a official digital version there has been some slight differences I know this from all lot of the xbl titles that were brought over onto the 360 as an example for altered beast it played allot faster and smoother then the Genesis version does. But it's not counted as emulation because it's done using official hardware and not 3rd party. So it would just be marked with the submission as what ever hardware it was played off.

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