Hello guys,

I have already mentioned this on the Discord channel and tried to contact Jaychalke directly on his Twitch account, but with no luck this far so I try to summarize my problem on this forum since it's been bugging me for a while now and is holding me back to do more runs though I would be glad to do some.

I have taken a deep look into the resources where several mods explained how the time subtraction from "time with loads" to "time without loads" is being performed. I used that guidelines to perform the time calculation on my own runs. Main source is the thread "Timing for Loading Removal" on this forum.

Nevertheless, I can only conclude that something can not be right on the leaderboards at the moment. I will try to explain this now.

The category I'm referring to is the "Any%" Season Mode category. My current time is 1:00:17 hours w/ loads. To get the time wo/ loads I measured every loading time between two stages manually, starting at clicking on "Play next game" after the previous match has finished and ending immediately when the next arena screen is visible (because then you can do the input to skip to the kickoff). I was very precise about this, watching my own raw footage at minimum speed and writing down the times. I gathered a total of 30 seconds of loading times.

According to the other forum thread, the "post match celebration sequence" when you can jump around in your car after winning a match has to be subtracted as well as this was not always part of the game. This time is fixed at 9 seconds multiplied by the number of games minus one (because you get the trophy immediately after the last match, which ends the timer). In any% there are 11 games so it is a fixed 90 seconds.

90+30 seconds add up to 2:00min flat that I finally took off from my time.

When I submitted my time, I was surprised I was still behind Jaychalke since his run was 25 seconds slower than mine (w/ loads), but ended up being 7 seconds faster wo/ loads. Since I consider my PC to be pretty ancient and slow, I was more than surprised that somebody would be able to double up my loading times (62 secs compared to 30 secs).

Next I looked into Jaychalkes latest run of this category and just by first impression it seemed that he was even loading faster than me. But I wanted to clarify this so I took his run and measured all the stage loading times the same way as I did it for my own run. The difference that I concluded is pretty significant. I added up a total of 22.5 seconds on loading times, other than the 62 seconds that he summarized.

To clarify the difference even further, I repeated this process for the two top runners of the category, Braininator and Titan_Unlimited. The 23 seconds of loading times for Braininator were 100% correct. For Titan_Unlimited I got a total of 77 seconds instead of the 100 seconds that he calculated.

I could not check the runs of the 5th and 6th ranked "Babyfurz" and "Calvin715" because the videos are not available anymore, though their subtractions are also pretty high.

All this stuff finally points to one out of two possibilities. Either some of the runs have a wrong time subtraction going on or I did get something completely wrong on the loading times of my own run..

I want to make clear that I am NOT accusing or suspecting anybody, but up to now I was trying really hard to pinpoint a possible error on my own, but I'm out of ideas now.

Can somebody please have a look into this ? I'm also ready to talk/chat directly over Discord etc. to clarify the situation.

So I assume that nobody is interested in clarifying the situation ?

Hello LudwigVonKoopa and all,

I've lost access to my Twitch account (sadly). This is why I have been unresponsive. I've also been lurking in the background as I have moved to a different country (to teach English) and have been in the shadows for quite some time. I promise I wasn't ignoring you! I really appreciate you taking the time to lay out your concerns. Alcowe is right, I have been pretty concise and consistent with timing across all categories, but I agree something went wrong with the any% calculations. Let me take a look myself and I will get back to you again!

Thank you for pointing this out! :)

-Jaychalke

I checked my run - You were right to say something. I will go through each run and check the timing for loads across the leaderboard.

My loading times: G1 - 2.53 G2 - 1.91 G3 - 1.92 G4 - 2.41 G5 - 1.90 G6 - 1.96 G7 - 2.23 G8 - 2.96 G9 - 2.52 G10 - 1.60 G11 - 2.05

Total Time Subtracted = Fixed 90seconds + 23.99 = 113.99 = 58m 48s 010ms.

Thank you for your attention to detail!

All of the runs will be updated by the end of today.

Have a great day everyone!

-Jaychalke

Titan_Unlimited's run has been updated for accuracy.

Loading times for their run: G1 - 6.49 G2 - 6.37 G3 - 7.38 G4 - 6.87 G5 - 6.71 G6 - 6.85 G7 - 6.68 G8 - 8..08 G9 - 8.11 G10 - 8.03 G11 - 7.11

Total Time Subtracted = Fixed 90 seconds + 78.38 = 168.38 = 1h 0m 56s - 168.38 = 58m 7s 620ms

ChazB's run has been updated for accuracy.

Loading times for their run: G1 - 1.45 G2 - 1.51 G3 - 1.42 G4 - 1.44 G5 - 1.09 G6 - 1.00 G7 - 1.33 G8 - 1.15 G9 - 1.37 G10 - 1.13 G11 - 1.65

Total Time Subtracted = Old Run (Before Update = No Freestyle subtraction) 0 + 14.54 = 59m 25s - 14.54 = 59m 10s 460ms

CaptainFurst's run has been updated for accuracy.

Loading times for their run: G1 - 3.22 G2 - 3.02 G3 - 3.04 G4 - 3.92 G5 - 2.75 G6 - 2.86 G7 - 2.22 G8 - 2.67 G9 - 2.84 G10 - 2.73 G11 - 2.70

Total Time Subtracted = Old Run (Before Update = No Freestyle subtraction) 0 + 31.97 = 59m 32s 830ms - 31.87 = 59m 0s 860ms

Aussems's run has been updated for accuracy:

Loading times for their run G1 - 2.42 G2 - 1.90 G3 - 2.79 G4 - 2.39 G5 - 2.63 G6 - 218 G7 - 2.15 G8 - 1.93 G9 - 2.16 G10 - 1.82 G11 - 2.03

Total Time Subtracted = Fixed 90 seconds + 24.4 = 1h 0m 53s 960ms - 114.4 = 58m 59s 560ms

Hey Jay,

thanks for looking into the thing. That clarifies things now. Don't get me wrong for my latest post - I think real life concerns always have priority over speedrun things. I was just confused that I saw nothing in response to this topic for months.

But I'm glad it's cleaned up now. :)

Hey Ludwig, Absolutely, I am truly sorry about the long awaited response! I'll be sure to check forums at least once a week! :)

Also, Ayyyc's run has been updated: G1 - 1.82 G2 - 2.24 G3 - 1.87 G4 - 1.93 G5 - 2.22 G6 - 1.89 G7 - 1.73 G8 - 1.93 G9 - 2.17 G10 - 2.35 G11 - 2.0559

Total Time Subtracted = Old Run (Before Update = No Freestyle subtraction) 0 + 22.5 = 59m 55s 340ms - 22.5 = 59m 32s 840ms

Socc13r37's run has been updated: G1 - 4.26 G2 - 3.65 G3 - 2.48 G4 - 2.94 G5 - 3.12 G6 - 4.06 G7 - 2.98 G8 - 3.48 G9 - 2.50 G10 - 3.11 G11 - 2.71

Total Time Subtracted = Old Run (Before Update = No Freestyle subtraction) 0 + 35.29 = 1h 0m 30s 690ms - 35.29 = 59m 55s 400ms

DetectivexConan's run has been updated: G1 - 3.47 G2 - 3.44 G3 - 3.07 G4 - 2.99 G5 - 3.13 G6 - 4.15 G7 - 3.03 G8 - 3.19 G9 - 3.78 G10 - 3.28 G11 - 1.79

Total Time Subtracted = Old Run (Before Update = No Freestyle subtraction) 0 + 35.02 = 1h 0m 0s 0ms - 35.02s = 59m 24s 980ms

Coolguy6316's run has been updated: G1 - 1.77 G2 - 1.72 G3 - 2.61 G4 - 1.67 G5 - 2.23 G6 - 2.41 G7 - 2.44 G8 - 2.03 G9 - 1.70 G10 - 2.60 G11 - 2.09

Total Time Subtracted = 23.27 = 1h 0m 49s - 23.27 = 1h 0m 25s 730ms