Yeah idk why it wouldn’t be, I added it as an option. Some people make the argument that “there are no runs of it so it’s worthless to add empty leaderboards” but we already have plenty of empty ones so I don’t think it’s that big a deal even from that perspective.

I tested the Brillante + Ericcil lv7 strat 1 lv down for Piana-Pius and the 1cycle is basically impossible even with a Capla and wasting a lot of time to charge Ericcil magic before the fight. You’d also only have lv7 Brillante for the bats farm, so I think this strategy has been debunked… I tried looking into getting more EXP so you wouldn’t be a level down too, but it seems like it wastes too much time and ruins the whole point of the strategy being less farming. Edit: The extra level doesn’t even make the 1cycle easy either. XD lv7 Brillante is really weak ig…

Edit: Looked into fighting Gaposdhala and while 11924 EXP in < 30″ is pretty good, it takes 36″ to get there from TP and at that point just farming slimes breaks even in EXP and gives a lot more Emel. Farming en-route didn’t give me good results either, the rhinos and fish are too hard to kill and the Emel is little. You can fight Gaposdhala at lv25 with a Capla but all in all it took me ≈ 2′10″ to get to lv27 (you need 28) and still missing over 1k Emel for even the double lv7 strat. In my PB it takes ≈ 3′30″ to be Piana-Pius ready, comparing after TPs. /// ≈ 3′42″ actually I think and had crazy RNG.

Edit: Looked at the LC slimes grind… Ravi’s spot is maybe better for EXP, but not Emel imo, Harumaki uses it in his Nightmare WR and maybe it’s worth there but not for Normal. I’ve speedrun the normal spot a bit and at best it took me 3′ flat to get the necessary level, then 48″ for the Emel. XD Fastest method seems to be walk upleft Jump+Attack, then 2nd and 3rd charge to kill the 3 slimes under you. I legit keep getting the level while having only 1800 Emel… enough for double lv7 strat and super far from lv8. Should I really be going for double lv7 if I get this abysmal RNG? It keeps happening… I legit just got lv29 before the required Emel. What in the absolute fuck? It almost takes like 50″ to go from 1800 Emel to 2375… hmm

Oh yeah forgot to mention I looked into Ud-Meiyu too. lv21 (1 level lower) is ≈ 10″ slower than lv22, fastest kill seems to be double slash from lava, no 3rd slash. Magic used at start and end.

Tested doing Zonplas at lv19 and it seems slower. Gains ≈ 20″ from not grinding bombs as much, but loses ≈ 10″ at Zonplas and Ud-Meiyu each, while being lower level.

So I’ve realized routing for 1cycle Piana-Pius is stupid, as it only saves ≈ 14″ and is too hard to even do in a run anyway. for 2cycle lv28 and lv7 Brillante + Capla is all you need. With that in mind, I’ve tested the bats farm with lv7 vs. lv8 Brillante and lv7 loses ≈ 20″, it seems (2023 edit: it’s more like 25″, and it also makes the grind much harder to survive). So the double lv7 strat should finally be proven faster. :D lv7 Brillante only requires 830 (+ 5) Emel, but since you need lv28 EXP becomes the bottleneck, and you usually get enough Emel for double lv7 (1805); even if you don’t it doesn’t matter because Brillante lv7 is enough on its own. Best lv28 grind 2′52″ with ≈ 1300 Emel. Saves 38″ over my PB so even if we consider 1cycle it should still save time over lv8 as 14″ + ≈ 20″ = 34, 38″ − 34″ = 4″ saved.

Tested grinding less at bats but that seems like a fail. Edit: 2′47″ slimes grind ≈ 1100 Emel. Good to see going for just Brillante lv7 saves a lot of time at least… 43″ over PB. /// This time is either sus or insane. I’ve found a slightly faster way to grind (walk up, charged to right to kill 2, walk slightly down charged up to kill 3) but it’s harder as well. /// Why did I suddenly get better RNG and a faster time when I started using DxTory to force 61fps… wtf /// 2′48″ lv27 1935 Emel (double lv7) insane RNG /// 2′58″ lv28 900 Emel like how tf did I do 11″ faster back then. lol

Tested Ud-Meiyu routes again: 15″ Capla to Hand 11″67 getting to jump platform with kills and 11″ without kills 6″57 going to hand 16″29 getting Capla to jump platform So current route is fastest, I thought Capla to Hand might be faster… I was wrong. First route has 5 kills, second 4, but the kill isn’t worth the time loss. 8″ vs. 12″40 killing lasers in corridor, it kinda loses 0″88 per kill and you need 12/13 to level up, so in terms of speed it’s kind of even but the fact you have a lot more EXP should save time going into the slimes grind.

Harumaki dropped a 2:04′42″ Nightmare Catastrophe run, I’ve already told him on Discord everything improvable but I’ll drop here a few thoughts I could use in my runs:

1. my run uses the old bomb grinding strat, so that’s hugely improvable in the Wing of Alma room.
2. I wonder which moles are faster to farm? Before Wing of Alma has a bunch but requires backtracking, on Normal I opted for the ones near the top…
3. I did some Ud-Meiyu science and found out charged Brillante slashes do more dmg and that’s the extra ≈ 24dmg you see sometimes. Could they be useful elsewhere…? Video of this at the bottom.
4. You probably can’t get it in time but killing Ud-Meiyu minions before it explodes would be extra EXP.
5. LC midpoint TP triggering requires a bunch of testing. Mid first, then equips? Equips, then to mid through the North route Daifuku showed? Slowly moving towards it during the Slimes grind…? 2nd option may be best.
6. Gaposasura probably not killable en-route on NM? Might still be faster to grind the bombs less and TP to Gaposasura just after Piana-Pullus.

Ud-Meiyu science vid:

Edit: some magic science I just did: lv10 sword passively charges 1/f (3000 is full charge) lv11 6/f getting hit gives 200 charge but if dmg is nullified by Emelas Armor it’s 100, hitting an enemy is also 100, with Eldian Orb these become 300 and 150 sometimes hitting an enemy doesn’t charge anything, I don’t know why

Do you have a speedrun of them? I don’t think there’s much point in adding them if no one has done a run. I did attempt routing Normal years ago but didn’t do much with it.

Wait, those are called variables? I thought by variable you meant stuff like “Standard/Catastrophe” here: https://www.speedrun.com/ysvi#Any_PC1

Actually looking at the game editing now, I see that they’re both called “variables”, kinda confusing; but in that case disregard my previous post– I’m not sure which way it would be best to do it but my previous complaints are moot if I’m understanding it now.

I don’t know how variables work exactly but I don’t like the idea of Steam/freeware being a variable… they’re nearly two different games, should be in different categories imo. Same goes for NG/NG+/glitched, those create completely different runs so I don’t think they should be in the same category.

The way I force 60fps in Ark of Napishtim (actually 61 I think because for some reason that gave me correct behaviour) is by using DxTory, so that’s an option too. I assume it’s downloadable from here: https://exkode.com/dxtory-features-en.html

This was brought up before and so has its problem. The optimal strategy requires you to exit out of a mission just before it ends, making looking at IGT impossible.

Then I think it makes sense to count it as part of the speedrun.

I can see both arguments too. And it’s always annoying having to do more in a speedrun instead of less… lol. But the game doesn’t really bring you back to the main menu until you fight BP right? So you could consider it not really having beaten the game until you do… wait what happens if you die in the fight? Still thrown back to the main menu or gives you a retry menu? If the former then I think fighting it loses a lot of its legitimacy for a speedrun, if the latter it would make much more sense.

That is… really interesting. I don’t think it would be helpful for a speedrun though if all it does is get you back to full health at the cost of using the magic. Maybe on Nightmare…

Hijacking this thread just to remind myself of something.

Lhosvie did a Normal run, it’s his first try and he didn’t put serious time into routing so it’s bad but it’s a start:

He skips the Guilty Fire Roda Fruit, which for some reason never occurred to me to do. It takes almost 50″ to grab it, which is a really long time, and the Flooded Prison one only takes about 20″. Whenever I thought of skipping a fruit I thought of skipping FP’s for some reason, but going for uncharged Mines Nygtilger and skipping GF’s fruit might be the best route… anyway, that’s what I wanted to write down to remind myself whenever I come back to this game.

Btw here’s my playlist of skips and tricks and such, buncha Hugo routing in it too (for Easy): https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC1CZuGGimWAax1trhYnk_26Apvgz5S1U

The end split seems fine enough.

There’s absolutely no reason to remove menuing time from 100% runs though, so I’d like you to fix your autosplitter to be in line with Sotena’s runs.

For 100% runs I’m pretty sure the timer should be running in the main menu.

2 questions:

• Pause the timer while in the main menu Why? • Adjust timing of the final split Adjust how?

New WR by the JP, 1:17′32″ old timing (would be 24″ with new).

I really can’t believe this guy is legit, that movement tech isn’t human. Anyway, whatever:

1. He uses a new route to go from Galba Shield to LC mid, which only takes ≈ 28″ and is probably faster than going to mid first then back.
2. This is minor but he does the glitchy Grana-Vallis climb in an earlier spot at the start, which I probably won’t even implement because I doubt it’s helpful considering it makes it less consistent
3. He kills Zonplas minions when he can’t attack Zonplas, that’s smart as that’s free EXP and Emel (despite being very little).
4. His Orjugan RNG was insane and his kill amazing. Might want to try going for that instead of using the magic ASAP.

His run is literally perfect. Not sure why his time is that bad, I guess mouse really is much faster. I’ll beat it back when I have time…

Edit: Oh yeah I also wanna test a different slimes farming strat, noticed a lot of blue slimes while watching Night do 100% attempts in the second room, to the right. Hmm… meh, seems pretty silly. There are more slimes but they’re not really fast to kill, and refreshing them takes a while.

Edit: Another thing I can improve is doing the Ud-Meiyu top route with mouse instead of keyboard. Both routes take about 11″, but that’s with killing the lasers in the bottom route (540 × 2 + 450 = 1530 EXP), the chest cutscene takes 5″ basically so taking the Capla loses maybe ≈ 6″ and the EXP. That EXP is made in 1 room of slimes (271 × 7 = 1897 ≈ 8″). Been thinking about not taking that Capla, since I’ve been trying Daifuku’s Piana-Pius 1-cycle strat and I’m not sure where to fit in an extra Capla in there anyway, and the extra menuing to equip it also loses 1 or 2 seconds (thought more lol). But then again, in my PB I was very low on Emel– not EXP, so the extra EXP might turn out to be irrelevant…

So since both Night and I have gotten any% PBs using the new timing, I went and changed all English runs to the new timing. I didn’t touch the Japanese times because technically they can still split it however they want.

For runs without videos I simply subtracted 8 seconds off their time, since that’s how much time was wasted before from Ark having 0 HP to the game going mute.

Edit: Fixed the rules.

I gave up on the double lv7 idea because you need to waste a lot of time getting EXP anyway, as getting 1800 Emel comes much earlier than lv28 or whatever’s needed for Piana-Pius (215HP). Maybe it’s possible to go a level lower, but I don’t think I even care to test that. I like the current route.

New 1:19′19″90 WR btw. I used the new timing of splitting at Ark death because that’s what my autosplitter does. As the only 2 current runners of the game (and WR holder) agreed on this timing in the other topic, I’m gonna assume this is official now.

I’ve tested a lot of things since my last post and I’ve been discussing on Discord, I’m not sure what the routing improvements have been since my last post but 1 is for sure: I’m not taking the Limewater Cave Capla Water because it costs ≈ 12″ to get it (unless my tests were wrong), and it doesn’t save that much on either Ernst nor Ark– extra Capla on Ernst saves very little, just makes it safer, while on Ark it saves ≈ 9″ so it’s not worth it. Oh, another thing is I’m using the Ud-Meiyu Capla on Piana-Pius in an attempt to make the 1-cycle easier, but I still lost 1 minute to that split in the run. lol. I fucking hate that boss. Oh and also, I’m not buying any healing items anymore. It’s really not necessary. You just have to be slightly careful at the start of the bats farm, and then they’ll drop way more Herbs than you’ll ever need. I tested that buying 1 Herb loses ≈ 7″, and an extra menu to equip a dropped one from a bat only loses ≈ 4″.

One thing I said in my previous post was testing not taking Rehdan Shield– I’ve given up even trying this as I feel even with it my drop luck is awful, so I don’t want to make it even worse. I have the feeling Ericcil might have better drop luck though, but I haven’t tested it. Testing stuff like luck is a bit bothersome, so while I’ll throw these ideas out there just in case, I don’t really feel like testing them and am content with the current route.

Edit: I’m pretty sure it’s possible to skip the Kishgal platform doing a dashjump special with Ericcil, but it’s impossibly hard. Maybe Livart magic can do it too but I’ve spent an hour trying and couldn’t (using 2 dashjumps to get extra speed).

Edit: Three things I’ve found out are faster since my run:

1. refresh flowers once (52 Emel farm)
2. dashjump magic before Lanaluna (I think it’s faster at least)
3. dashjump out of Lanaluna room, I didn’t know you don’t need to wait for the girls in this room… Made a Lanaluna vid, 40″ with Brillante which is pretty good:

I wrote an autosplitter and something like “split when audio goes mute” is too hard for me to program so I made it split the moment the Ark dies. Which, to be honest, makes a lot more sense to me I don’t even know why we were waiting for the game to go mute.

I hope people have no issue with this change? I can go and personally edit all the current submissions to correct their timing if people agree.

So I finally finalized the rough draft of a new route yesterday and got the WR back.

The run was absolutely atrocious and saved by the new route, of course. Sub 1:20′ isn’t hard and is my current goal.

I’ve also already improved the route further by going for Brillante and Ericcil lv7 and using 1 Capla Water at Piana-Pius, which should make the 1-cycle more consistent and just be faster in general because less time is spent on the slow slimes farm, and we can more quickly get to the bats instead.

I’m gonna have to test whether the Orjugan–Kishgal segment is faster with Brillante or Ericcil, since with this new route leveling Ericcil to 8 instead of Brillante doesn’t cost any extra time.

I’ve also got a few other ideas to improve the route, such as: ignoring the Rehdan Shield or using it in more boss fights… OK maybe not that many other ideas or I’m just forgetting them, but regardless there is still some work to do here and some strats to test.