Hey, I am planning to do a run of this tonight, Are we counting event 30 or 31 as the ending? I was planning on doing through 31% Is a 100% run doing all of the events up through 32?

Thanks mods! :D

I did the run through Event 31.

If the run only needs to be through 30, we can just change the time to the Event 30 split.

Hey, sorry to reject your run, but it simply has too many flaws:

1. Unfinished run - as JessicaSix said, event 32 must be completed. I've never even played the PS2 version, so the rules were basically taken from PC version (they are different). Unfortunately you didn't wait at least a day for your answer :(

2. Cut video - your timer says 2:24:50, yet the video stops at 2:14:50, so there is at least 10 minutes of footage missing. The video is cut several times during the run, even during a race! You should never cut a video when doing RTA speedrun.

3. Timer discrepancies - the timer starts 3 seconds before you start the championship. That's not a big deal, but then you claim the run is 2:24:28:140, yet the timer says 2:24:50:140. Where did you get those 22 seconds?

4. I'm pretty sure that extreme handling is faster than classic and since this is a speedrun, you should use whatever is faster.

I hope you're not mad. We'll gladly accept your run, but fix these issues first. Sorry for not giving you clear rules, but you have to understand your run is the first one for this game, so there might be things mods overlooked (this happens to all new games). Also, if you would have waited at least a day (you posted your question at our midnight), you could have at least avoided the first issue :)

Looking forward for your improved run ;)

I am not mad, and I'm not going to dispute the rejection with you. Thanks for going over my run and giving these tips. :)

About the unfinished run thing though, In the PS2 version, event 32 can only be completed by beating every other event, isn't that a 100% run?

Honestly I don't know what happened with the timer, but it was like ultra late at night I'm sorry. Edit:I mean, I would have just fixed the time to the proper time if it was approved, I wasn't trying to pull one over on you guys I just messed it up. Oh, also, the timer starting 3 seconds before I start and finish is because of the lag from my capture card, the timer isn't delayed to match so it looks like it's starting/ending early.

Good tip about extreme. I haven't played in several years and I was going for consistency, remembering that extreme can be a bit slide-y and didn't want to lose by crashing into a tree (something I'm prone to anyway). I'll do it next time, haha.

I since my internet was going out I thought it might get rejected, because of the skippy video. I also knew the risk of doing the run without you guys responding. :)

I don't mind doing it again except for event 28 and 30 themselves which are a bit of a stamina thing. I made plenty of mistakes and I kinda wanted to run it again soon anyway.

sweet, you should keep running it, seems like a p good speed game

If completing all events unlocks the final video, which would be regarded as completing the game, then I guess there is no 100% category. There is a similar thing in PC version of NFS: High Stakes. In Career mode, you don't have to finish all tournaments with gold medals, but that means you won't unlock the last tournament, which is sort of hidden, and only when you finish this last tournament, the narrator says something about completing the career.

Like I said, those 3 seconds are not a big deal. I assumed it could be some lag since you were streaming from PS2. The problem was with the ending when you magically lowered your time by 22 seconds without any explanation. Maybe it was just a typo?

Still, the biggest issue was with cuting the video/loosing connection, which made the video 10 minutes shorter than it should be, thus the run can't be verified. Well, at least in my eyes. I've seen mods of other games that would gladly accept your run (mostly without even watching it first), but we're kinda picky here, so everything must be in order, otherwise people start abusing it, making their own rules and so on. Trust me, it happens :(

EDIT: Yeah, as hypnoshark mentioned, you should keep running it.

Well, when you beat Event 30 theres text and a voice that says "You've completed Championship mode", which is why I initially asked if it was level 30 or 31, since I consider 31 as a bonus. 28/29 is an 8 race tournament, and event 30 is a ten lap race in the f1, after that is just a three lap race and it's after the 'you did it' fanfare... which of course is one of the parts that lagged out from the video, which I didn't know until I just checked.

I understand if you want to have there be no 100% category, and instead have any% be over at event 32, but I just can't run the whole thing it's just too long.

Perhaps have an event 30, and event 32 run.

JessicaSix: Can you confirm this?

About not being able to watch twitch stuff, I wasn't going to bother exporting that run to youtube since the video quality(choppy, bad audio) and the play quality are lacking. I might do it if there's a rule set that's not too grueling for me to run. Also, the broadcasts are deleted in two days, but highlights do stay forever. ^_^

Well, small note about deleting things to do the events run, I just play without a memory card when I do it.

I guess I won't insist there be an 30 Event category, but I think it's kind of silly to not permit the category to exist, since no one has ever run the campaign or ever will as long as it's 5 hours or more. After all, I routed past long knockout tournaments that have 4-6 races in them that take forever. Doing all of these would take far too long.

I don't really understand the event-table thing you're talking about, perhaps you could explain it?

I think he's talking about making each event as IL (level-leaderboard), which is not a bad idea if anyone wants to run it.

Broadcasts on twitch are deleted after 40 days, iirc.

So wait, event 1 to 30 takes roughly 2 hours, but event 1 to 32 would be over 5 hours? That should be definitely a new category.

Hmm yeah, I guess that's clear now. Becoming a champion should be the same as beating a game.

Ok,

Some other long games have speedruns that do not complete the game.

Mario 64 for example. 16 star run is very popular, and good for beginners because it is short.

I do not see why this game cannot also have a category which results in completing some noteworthy objective which does not mean the game is beaten.

I think it is ridiculous that only one person in the world wants to run the game you're a mod of, and you won't let them have a category that's less than half of the 5 hours it takes to beat every single event in the tree...

The kind of time it takes to beat all the events is so much different than rushing 30/31.

Clearly 30 was meant to be the climax. Both races after are 3 lap jokes.

If you're really not going to budge I'll just speedrun something else, because there's no way I'm doing all 32 events in one sitting. I'm sorry I can't match your definition of completed :P

What do you think, JessicaSix? I'm fine with "Event 1-30" and "Event 1-32" categories.

Yes, I have played event 32. Don't insult me.

Off the top of my head, Starfox Adventures, WR ~4hr 50min. Has a category called first spellstone where you only beat the first dungeon. Takes about 1hr 30min.

What I ask is not unreasonable, Ewil thinks it is ok.

I'm not going to debate it anymore, no wonder no one runs this great game with such a tyrant in a seat of power.

Sorry, but I'm not going to run this game at all at this point it's just too annoying to deal with you Jessix.

People do speedrun this game, just not tournament. There's a whole online community: http://www.friendly-pc-gamers.net/asac

Does Championship mode have Ultimate Racer rank like Hot Pursuit mode? If so, we could create categories based on the ranks you achieve.

You said yourself JessicaSix that events 31 a 32 are just bonus events, so is it like the career in High Stakes? If you don't win all events in the first place, you don't unlock events 31 and 32?

"Event 31 has the name 'bonus event', this unlock event 32. Event 32 is NOT a bonus event, it has the name 'Final Race'. To play the final event 32 you need event 31.

gamefaqs say -> event 31 and 32 are not bonus events, this are normal events to finsih the game to unlock the final race and unlock the ending video. "

WTF??? You say that event 31 is a bonus event, yet apparently gamefaqs says it isnt. Then you say that event 32 has a name "final race", yet gamefaqs says "this are normal events to finsih the game to unlock the final race and unlock the ending video. " There is a "final race?", or is that what event 32 is called?

To be honest, I'm totally confused now what is what and no offense, but you seem too :) Please explain step by step how the championships works, because I don't get it.

OK, so it is as I thought. Then I guess we can actually create 3 categories:

1. World champion any% - event 1-30 of world racing mode
2. Ultimate racer any% - event 1-30 of hot pursuit mode
3. Hot pursuit champion - complete event 32

Am I correct?

Yes, you sort of "finish" the game with just 3), but I'm fine with at least reaching some rank, especially since this is a racing game and both categories would have totally different times. I'll probably do a similar thing with NFSIV career - 1) low% - finish all tournaments with at least bronze medals, 2) complete the whole career including tournament of champions

Are those two events 32 any different? I mean, is the reward video same? If yes, we can use the categories from my previous post + 100%, if anyone wants to do it.

Events would be fine as IL.

Welp ewil what do you want to do :P

Why wouldn't "3) Hot pursuit champion - complete event 32" category work? You said yourself, JessicaSix, that event 32 unlocks if you complete all hot pursuit and championship events, so I don't understand why would you need separate categories.

"When you play event 30, than you unlock Event 31. You must play all events in Hot Pursuit and 02 - World Racing to unlock the final race Event 32. When you not win all races on first place, than you can not unlock all other events."

"But the problem is when you read gamefaqs -> We have 2 different 32 events. For Championship Event 32, you only must play Championship Events 1-31. On Ultimate Racer Event 32 -> You must play all Events."

Which one of these is true? Both answers are different, at least for me.

east, can you please explain with your words how exactly this event 32 works? And what do you think about 1-30 category?

I can't set any rules if I've never played this version and I'm given a lot of misinformation.