Celestinno, I've only submitted your run once and that was only after Hetfield said he and Luiz were in favor of putting all the PB's from MMLB.net onto SR.com. This happened four hours ago. If you still have the notifications on SR.com that show I submitted a run on your behalf twice and if those both took place before Hetfield's message, I'd like to see screenshots of those.

Who did I say was trustworthy and when did I say I'd hand over mod to anybody? I said I'd consider bringing on additional mods but I never said I'd just hand it over and step back. I think you've misunderstood the conversation we've been having. You're free to think I'm a douchebag or whatever but that has nothing to do with my ability to moderate a board. I'm not sure what qualifications you think a moderator needs but I'll tell you I have the ones that matter.

Do I have enough free time to moderate this board? Yes. Do I have interest in moderating this board? Yes. Do I play the game? Yes. Am I willing to hear people out and consider their opinions even when they insult me? Yes.

That all sounds pretty good if you ask me. Not sure I agree with your claim that I'm throwing a tantrum. Which one of us is accusing the other of being a crazy douchebag? Seems to me the tantrum is being thrown by you. I think you need to chill out, take a breath, step back from this whole thing, and find your center so we can resume the discussion without all the vitriol. It'd be better for me if I didn't have to deal with people insulting me and it's better for your personal karma if you don't end up being the kind of person who walks that path.

Lets Go at this point by point: 1 - That is true, you never Said you would Hand over moderation, and thats the whole problem. You said that you could bring in additional mods, people you said you trusted and that Im sure most of other people also do. So, If you Trust them, why would you refuse a board moderated ONLY by them? The Logical conclusion is that you dont want a good board, you want a board moderated by YOU. Therefore, you are on a Power trip. Case and point. 2 - I never called you names, i never interacted with you enough out of this mess to have an opinion about you. Im only stating what seems to be the opinion of various runners Ive heard talking about you. 3 - you seem to be confused over what being a mod is. Being a mod is much more than Just having time and playing the game. Is knowing the game enough to know If someone is cheating or not. Is knowing for example, what are the difference between a run on emulator and a run on console. Is being a person that the runners of the community know they can Trust to ask things about the game in question. And more importantly, someone that recognizes when he is wrong and when he made a mistake. You dont seem to have any If those characteristics and your image on the eyes of ALL of the people that are involved in this seem to be worsening by every post you make. 4 - Im not throwing a tantrum, after all, im not the one behaving like a kid that Took a toy from other kid and doesnt want to give It back because he thinks "He deserves the toy". Rethink your actions.

If I didn't want a good board, would I have spent the last two hours adding runs manually from MMLB to SR.com? Whatever logical conclusion you're coming to, it's a funny kind of logic you're using. No matter who I add as mod, I'm staying on as mod so I can make sure things go right. Laseki's quit once and Zewing/Justin have never expressed interest in being mod here AFAIK. Assuming they end up as mods now, it could be a temporary thing for them. I trust them to do a good job while they're here but who's to say how long that'd last? You can't just think in short-term context.

You've accused me of being on a power trip and you've insinuated that I'm a crazy douchebag. You've also cussed me out and said I throw tantrums. Compare that to anything I've said about you, which is to say nothing. Any and all hostility is clearly coming from your end.

I don't need to know if anyone is cheating or not. Every single run on here has been ported over from MMLB. You trust the mods on that site to verify those runs, right? So do I. There's no problem. This site is a mirror. You know this. Stop reaching for reasons to stay mad and chill out. I think it'd be helpful for both of us if we all took a big long nap and came back to this tomorrow when we're not all worked up and mad. Maybe then we can have productive dialogue that doesn't involve insults and insinuations. Wouldn't that be nice? I sure think so.

I like the claim that Crisco is "powertripping" when everyone else is screaming and crying about getting mod for themselves so that they can squat the boards for another few months or years like before, haha.

Crisco's trying to fix shit for real, and y'all don't want him to because you want to take credit for anything and everything without doing anything at all.

I moved mods around in an attempt to create a more stable situation after talking to a couple people. The situation prior to this post is definitively not stable.

Orsa's method here seems fine with the current status of site functionality, if people are okay with that: http://www.speedrun.com/mmx4/thread/apovd

I will note that I somewhat disagree with Hetfield's point 4 in his initial post. The moderation logs show the user metaphorically pouring some gas on the fire, much like some users on the other side of the aisle also like to do. I think it would be misconstrued to imply we moved things on a whim.

I can guarantee you this will be as unstable or less stable, as hetfield will not allow misc categories and will purposefully deny runs that he doesn't like the author of. Also, I would rather not make an account and/or login to my old one to submit times to a website I don't like.

@kirkq I went to sleep and wake up to find I've been removed as a moderator and all the people who had previously harassed me and put a beating on my character are now mods in my place. What happened in the five hours that passed between now and my bed time? Who did you talk to and why was I not involved in this discussion? I had and continue to have the site's best interest in heart so at the end of the day, as long as they do the job I was going to do, it's not a big deal. But still, I'd have liked to have been consulted.

As long as runs don't get deleted again this looks like a compromise and besides if dumb categories want added someoen can just make "mega man x category extensions" leaderboard like how super mario bros. make a cat extension board to keep the dumb shit off

Thank you kirkq. I apologize for the misinterpretation on my part; I understand administrators have only the information they are given to base their decisions on. My main point there was that the other moderators at the time should have consulted the community before taking it to the administration level.

Now, onto how the leaderboards and submission process should work moving forward. I just spoke with Luiz on Discord and here's what we agreed on.

Submission process:

I'd rather be a little more lax about how people can submit runs than forcing them register on mmrta and only submit their runs there. I think that we should request runners submit their runs to both leaderboards, and every time a moderator verifies a run on one site, they will check the other site to see if it is also submitted there and verify that too. If the run was only submitted to one site and not the other, then the moderator should manually add it to the other site. Laseki, Nu, Auchgard, and LuizMiguel do the bulk of the X3 verifying on mmrta, so they have all been added as moderators here as well.

If there are any discrepancies that arise from something like a trusted member who isn't an X3 mod verifying a run on mmrta, then one of the mods can just take a glance at the two boards side by side once a week or so to make sure everything is synced up.

Leaderboard platforms/categories:

There are a couple differences from mmrta that I'd like to have on these boards since mmrta doesn't facilitate them at the moment.

1. Combining PSX and XC: These were combined on mmrta before we made XC and Anniversary Collection separate games from the ports they contain, but that was done to clean up clutter of having a million categories for each game since platform+category combination is one tier of classification mmrta instead of separate tiers like they are here. I asked Joka if platform/category could be separated into individual tiers on mmrta like they are here, but he said it would be too much work at this point for too little gain, so I'm fine w/ just leaving that small difference between the two boards.

2. Adding miscellaneous categories: Joka said this would be simple to implement on mmrta, so we'll add those over there as well whenever it becomes possible. These aren't on mmrta now because it would add an million extra platform+category combinations, but I like the way they are organized here.

I'd like to only add categories that actually have unique gameplay. The ones we'll add for now are "Buster Only"(no saber; sorry Jinny), "Best Ending, Max%", and "All Stages". Buster only won't have a PSX/XC platform since any% already is buster only there, and All Stages won't have a SNES platform since it would be identical any% on that platform.

I saw Laseki say that "any changes to the boards will be ran by the community first in the MMX discord to give them sort of a vote." There are two concerns I have with this:

1. Will there be a link to the Discord on the Mega Man X3 page (and maybe other X pages...I haven't checked)?
2. Are the moderators present in the Discord?

That's all. Good luck with this mess.

so, according to hetfield, the boards are just going to end up being pretty much the same as they were before all of this started, with ps1/xc on the same board as seperate categories, and misc categories for ps1/xc all stages and other things like buster only? so what was the whole point of this argument?

Yeah, looks like this will be exactly the same as before, but now all the big boys are in charge. Seems to be just a ploy for powergrabbing lmao. But either way as long as nothing is stupid I don't care, I just want a place to submit speedruns.

I don't think we need to run every small leaderboard change through the community, only major ones like expel a moderator or delete the entire leaderboard. Either way, I think it's a good idea to have the mmx discord link on the site somewhere so people can voice concerns if they have them, and I think most(if not, all) of the moderators are in the mmx discord already.

The difference with boards now is that we don't have any mods who are going to make extra categories for crap like this: and facilitate whatever other idea Cyberdemon comes up with to try and stir the pot.

This can go into all stages since you have a faster run in any% Cyberdemon, but if you do an actual all stages run that uses doppler skip and is faster than this, this run is going straight to the dumpster.

How is me doing a speedrun trying to "stir the pot"? I don't understand. You do a speedrun, it's fine. I do it, it's not. Mind explaining?

At this point, I feel like we should just have a Mega Man X3 Arranged board entirely separate from you guys, since all of you seem to hate it and hate anything to do with it because I like that version.

Also, comparing getting the saber in a run to not getting the saber in a run and putting them in the same category is nothing short of retardation. Theyre different runs. This is SNES any%, but just done on the arranged version. There's no reason to treat it any differently.

The arranged version has significant gameplay differences to the original SNES version, it doesn't matter if you copy the route from the SNES version. The platforms are separated for a reason, if you'd like a run on SNES any%, play the SNES version.

What are the gameplay differences, Zam?

So there are gameplay differences between Snes and Arranged, so they're separated. There are also, more significant, gameplay differences between all stages and no doppler skip, but they're merged.

Why?