Romania@EliDark So how did you fully extend your analog champ ? If not by modding or hacking the controller ? Can you answer this simple question ?
Or it's secret agent stuff lol.
I play with stock controller and you play with souped up controller and thats the main reason why you beat my times. Because you move 40% faster everytime you point the analog in a diagonal, which I cant do because I did not modify my controller. So it's no wonder that you easily beat my times, and got close to the straferunning ones. All you have to do is point your fully extended analog in a diagonal and you go in turbo mode.
If you played fair with the stock non fully extended analog controller I would have no problem admiting you are a better player, as I previously did, but you obviously don't and neither do some of the moderators apparently- since they admit they can straferun with analog.
@iiFever Why you delete my comment but dont delete the arab crab's who calls me a moron for the second time ? He's a fucking retard he just calls me names and then laughs like a retard.
And why are the mods so offensed by this thread ? They dont even know that the XBOX analog cannot straferun, and insist that it does when it doesnt. Grasslu made a video about this:
And the other guy said that the reason why I cant straferun with analog is because my analog is not fully extended, like his is according to Illusivev2. But when I asked him how did he extend his analog he didnt say, because he knows its not allowed to mod the controller.
So it seems that the moderators who say this blatant lie that you can straferun with analog by default are lying, and that they use a fully extended analog controller and lie that they use a normal controller.
Which means they should not be moderating and should be disqualified for using these 'fully extended' analog controllers to do straferunning with analog, which is not possible with the stock controller. They are clearly using modified or hacked controllers in order to do that. And they are clearly cheating because they move 40% faster just by pointing the analog in a diagonal. Whereas when I move my analog in a diagonal I have the same speed, because my analog aint fully extended like theirs is. Because thats how Microsoft made it, so that it limits the diagonal speed to the forward speed in all games. But these cheaters just cant play the game at its normal speed and need to mod their controller to gain 40% more speed from simply pointing the analog in a diagonal, because the N64 had this stupid glitch too. How lame can you be to think that you're actually doing a fair speedrun when you use modded controls to enable this lame glitch- which does not exist with the default xbox analog control ? Thats why Grasslu 'fixed' this by using Dpad, which is also a lame way to enable the straferunning glitcheat, but at least he did not mod his controller.
Or this Silo Agent perfect run, this is the best Silo run ever:
Check out this run, this is how its done. No one can beat this run without glitcheating.
The skateboard analogy does apply to you. You understand that dpad is faster yet you wanna complain that you wanna use a inferior method.
So is turbo mode. If you want to be fastest why dont you use that ? Because its a cheat, yeah. But why its a cheat ? Because it increases the default player speed. So does the straferunning glitcheat.
Dpad is only faster because it is glitchy and enables the straferunning glitcheat. A glitchy dpad is not superior to a non-glitchy analog. And the skateboard does not run 40% faster in a diagonal. As Tony Hawk has demonstrated the skateboard doesnt do straferunning at all. So this analogy does not work in your favour at all.
But when I said I did runs before the board was made I forgot to say that I used the stick not dpad. On the xbox controller that came stock with the console. You don't have to mod or glitch to do it. P.S. a glitch in speedrunning isn't cheating. Unless specifically in a glitchless.
Then why I cant straferun with analog, and why did Grasslu did this video complaining that he cant straferun with analog either, advicing to use DPAD instead ? You just cant straferun with analog in the Xbox Live version, unless you have a fully extended one as the champ himself says. The stock Xbox controller cannot straferun with analog.
P.S. At least you finally admit it's a glitch. That's why I requested a no straferunning glitch category.
The skateboard analogy does not apply in my case, because I am not the one who is using the wrong equipment, as I use the DEFAULT state of the art dual analog controls, while they use the obsolete dpad which is glitchy as fuck (unless they mod their controllers to have the same glitch with analog). And because I play the game at its normal speed/parameters without the abnormal straferunning glitch. Just because you think it is normal or not a glitch to run 40% faster in a diagonal, despite the DEFAULT dual analog controls not allowing this, does not mean it is so.
@Tripster You are right they are not cheating. They are glitcheating. Because they exploit a glitcheat to run 40% faster in a diagonal, which is a glitcheat inherent to the N64 game which was ported on the XBOX with the same glitcheat when using DPAD controls. But with the default dual analog controls this glitcheat is gone, so anyone who uses DPAD to enable it is deliberately glitcheating.
you can strafe run “glitch” with a regular series x controller too bud … only reason why you can’t because your analog ain’t fully extended
You stated here that a regular series X controller can straferun with analog, and I cant because my analog is not fully extended. That implies yours is. Because you did not say we cant, just that I cant.
And Illusivev2 said that you found a way to enable straferunning with analog, and you did not contradict him. But you contradict me instead, when I quote him. So was he lying when he said this ?
"You say it is "fixed" with dual analogs but there are others such as Eli that have found a way to make strafe running work on Xbox without using the DPAD."
And if hes not then how did you find a way to straferun with analog without modding the controller ?
The issue is not that they are using strafe, like I said I use strafe too ! But starferunning is only possible with DPAD or a modded analog and if I play with dual analog I cant straferun because it does not have this glitch and the diagonal speed remains the same as the forward speed. This is how every other fps plays except a few which have the same glitch.
On the N64 I get it there is no way to play the game without straferunning because thats how it is, but on the XBOX the default dual analog control does not have the straferunning glitch, so everyone who uses DPAD is basically cheating compared to the ones who use dual analog, because they run 40% faster in a diagonal. Same goes for the ones who use fully extended analog aka modded control to enable straferunning on dual analog.
I am annoyed too because I play the game with dual analog and no strafe running glitch and my times dont count because they play with DPAD so that they can run 40% faster in a diagonal which is a prehistoric glitch that is fixed with dual analog control.
You said the reason why I cant straferun with dual analog is because my analog is not fully extended. That implies yours is, and that you can straferun with dual analog. How did you fully extend the analog if not by modding the controller ? Or can you do this from the XBOX settings ?
And it was not me who said you found a way to straferun with dual analog, it was Illusivev2, and you did not contradict him. So how did you do it exactly ? And how can your runs compare to mine if you can straferun with dual analog and I cant ? That's not fair play bro, cause even if you dont want to straferun you will everytime you move in a diagonal- that is when you point the analog stick slightly to the left or right. I sometimes strafe too but my speed does not increase by 40% when I move in a diagonal.
I tried streets 00 the way you did it and there is no way to get to 2:23 with the dual analog. The best I got was 2:28, and even if I got 2 more boosts without dying I would have got to 2:26 or so. But 2:23 is simply not possible, unless you give me your fully extended analog controller and my speed increases by 40% when I move in a diagonal.
Slava Ocarina ! The legend of Zeldensky.
Look cant you just ask some Rare person if strafe running is a glitch, or if it was intentionally programmed in the game ? Like David Doak, he might know the answer to this political question.
So I did the Streets level on foot on 00A and followed the same path as the man did with his extended analog stick and got 2:29 best time. Theres no way you can get 2:22 without strafe running. He didnt mod his controller for no reason, he clearly is way faster with this mod than my default analog control because everytime he points the stick in a diagonal his speed increases by 40%, whereas I move at the same speed. How is this not cheating ?! And how is this massive speed increase by simply moving diagonally not a massive glitch ?
Look cant you just ask some Rare person if strafe running is a glitch or if it was intentionally programmed in the game ? Like David Doak, he might know the answer to this political question.
As entertaining as this thread has been i believe this has become to political for this platform. If anyone feels the need to continue to talk about this you can 100% do so in the discord.
What exactly is Political in this thread ? I don't get it.
I didnt even say Free Free Palestine !
So from what I understand your saying is that Microsoft completely puts every other game too the side to handicap all other games with there controllers just to keep this game like that?
If the standard analog control is not fully extended, it is not so for all games, not just for this game. That is because Microsoft made it like that, in order to prevent this glitch which would probably appear in other games if they fully extended the controller. I dont have a fully extended controller so I dont know if you can strafe run in Call of Duty for example if you do this mod.
And I'm sorry your wrong. Before we even made the leaderboard for this port I was straferunning on an unmodified stock xbox controller that came with the xbox.
With dual analog or with DPAD ? It only works with DPAD, thats why he had to modify his controller to fully extend his analog stick.
It's not a glitch... not a cheat... you don't have to hack a controller... it's intentionally in the game. I'm sorry.
It looks like you never played the game with dual analog control. You cant strafe run if you move diagonally with analog, only if you use DPAD you can. Thats why Grasluu made this video to show how much faster the DPAD is compared to dual analog, which is the default control for the game, and then he hacked/modded the controller to activate it for the default analog control too.
So you use a modded 'fully extended' controller because you cant run with the standard 'not fully extended' controller, and I'm insecure ?
If you use a modded controller your times dont count because you are disqualified from the start. Ask the mods, modded controls are banned in speedrunning if they do any things that the standard ones cannot.
Unless the community and the rules for the game say otherwise, you can use whatever controller is confortable to you'. The only generally accepted rule is that the controller can't do anything the standard way of playing cannot.
The standard dual analog control can't do any straferunning, so go figure.