I know that no one really runs this game, but I think this game is well suited to a 100% category. I did a run of it and have a video on my youtube page.

Rules -

-Must get all 4 health upgrades -Must get all key cards -Must save all characters

If someone wants to add this to the leaderboard, I'm all for it. If not, that's okay too. :D

@Cransoon, here is rules: Any No S+Q/WW/OOB"No WW" means no Wrong Warping using any glitch that sends link to unintended map tiles. This includes the Dog House Glitch, the Eagle Tower wrong warp in the mini-boss room, and others."No OoB" means no out of bounds glitches that allow link to unnaturally bypass normal screen transition boundaries by clipping through solid objects (this does not include wall clipping).Villa Skip/Dethl Skip/Walrus Skip/Super Jumps/Water jumping/Bomb Trigger are b

EDIT FINAL TALLIES:

The final tally went something like this:

No S&Q - ** Keep ** (overwhelming vote) S&Q - ** Keep ** 17 to 11 100% - ** Keep ** (overwhelming vote) Any% - ** Keep ** (overwhelming vote)

Legacy - ** Move to misc ** (overwhelming vote) All Instruments - ** Move to misc ** (overwhelming vote)

Those two categories will be moved as soon as possible.

Things have died down a bit here after some longer discussions that we've had. This is a good thing! Now I think it's a good time to talk about which (if any) categories we should move to the Miscellaneous section of our LADX page. This is supposed to be a friendly discussion; if things get too heated, I'll probably stop the thread, and we can forget all about it. I would like to hear from anyone involved with LADX. If no one wants to move anything, that's cool. If people only want 1 category on the front, that's cool too. Please be serious about this.

What this thread is NOT: -No discussion of rule changes -No discussion of new categories -No discussion of eliminating categories (In the future, there will be threads covering these topics. I just think it is easiest to handle the most basic idea at a time.)

What this thread is: -Discussion of which (if any) categories should be moved to misc. on speedrun.com/ladx

I would like people to vote on every existing main page category, even if you just "abstain" or "don't care". Just so we can see a full tally.

Again, if we think this is unnecessary, I can stop the thread and we can forget this ever happened! :)

EDIT:

Thread will close on 2016/05/01 10PM EDT (2016/05/02 4AM CET)

So there's been a lot of talk of using Bomb Triggers to duplicate seashells in the Seashell House. It seems now that we need to have a formal discussion about this and decide appropriately.

Video of glitch can be found here:

I am very much against the use of this glitch in 100% (big surprise). While using the bomb trigger is not against the rules in any way, I believe that duping the seashells is. There are a few rules in 100% that are, more or less, unspoken at this point. Mainly that you can not glitch to get your tunic and that you cannot duplicate Heart Pieces. I feel that duplicating seashells is akin to duplicating Heart Pieces. If you can duplicate one, why not the other? If we are worried simply about completing our inventory (getting the L2 sword in this case), why is there no restriction on how we complete our hearts?

To those who say we should be able to duplicate heart pieces, I must respond that we are losing the very essence of 100%. If anyone has the post that ZFG made regarding Ocarina of Time 100% (about how, if there was a glitch in SM64 that allowed you to get the same star over and over to get 120 stars) I would love to have it for this discussion. We must remember that 100% is a completely arbitrary category. Its sole existence is so we can show off more of the game while doing a speedrun. We decide what is and is not okay. If we allow something like duplicating Heart Pieces or Seashells, we lose a major portion of the game, and instead replace it with something rather boring and tedious. We lose the very essence of 100%.

The precedent with 100% has been always to "keep the essence of the category," which is why we do not glitch to get our tunic. Otherwise we would be missing out on a major portion of the game. It is the same reason why we do not do Heart Piece duping. [It is also the same reason why we do not use wrong warping and out of bounds, arguably, to complete this category.]

Lastly, here are the rules, as they stand on ZSR, which has been the ruleset we (I) have been following since about 2013

*"Beat the game with the 'No Wrong Warp' and 'No Out of Bounds' rulesets in effect.

100% requires getting all instruments, heart pieces, photographs, every item including the coloured tunic (either; runners choice) from the colour dungeon, including the boomerang which you get by completing the trading quest, and the three item capacity upgrades for bombs, arrows, and magic powder. You must also get the Level 2 sword (Sea Shell Sword) by collecting 20 of the Secret Shells. Although there are 26 sea shells in the game, only 20 are required to get the sword, so only 20 are required for 100%."" *

While there is very little language about seashells, I believe that the phrase "collecting 20 OF THE Secret Seashells," to me, implies "20 of the 26 Secret Seashells". If the phrasing had neglected any mention of the seashells at all, we might have a case (based on the rules) to not get them. If the phrasing had been "collect 20 seashells" then that would imply ANY 20. However, I think there was an implicit grouping that collecting 20 individual, different seashells is what is intended for this category.

Summary of points (For NOT allowing Seashell Duplication): -We do not allow duplication of Heart Pieces, so we should not allow duplication of Seashells -We would lose a major part of the category, which is one of the main points of 100% (to showcase as much of the game as possible) ---Precedent says to keep as much of the the essence of the category as possible (no glitch tunic, no HP duping) -(I believe) the rules had an implicit statement to collect 20 individual, different shells (- Seashell duplication is REALLY boring).

I would also like to say that I am against revisions of old rulesets / runs. (IE: Retroactively banning / adding something. Meaning we can make a rule like "collect all 26 individual seashells," since older 100% runs did not do this)

Discuss.

(PS: Don't take this the wrong way, but I thought this might be relevant and a little funny :P ) http://imgur.com/uqoO87D

I am not sure what the news is on this glitch, but seems like there will be many route changes regarding this new glitch that allows certain triggers to be hit with bombs. I personally do not know much about this glitch. As of writing, I have heard that we can skip all of the ocarina songs (and the ocarina).

However, I think this very clearly warrants a new category. The "main" category has seen a lot of change recently, but has, on the whole, remained similar with regards to route. We will be seeing a new dungeon order, skipping ~10 minutes of gameplay (in a run that is already 1:03), etc. Gameplay will never be the same way after this.

Personally, I think the best course of action would be for this glitch to be allowed in the S&Q category, as it already features deloading. This of course, would mean that the final boss text skip would not be allowed, but we can allow it on a retroactive basis. (Meaning, any run that used to have it is okay. Any run after a certain date that has it is not allowed. Similar how the Tal Tal Heights Out of Bounds was retroactively banned.)

Rationale: Last time we added a new glitch (SuperJumps) we saw the death of LADX. A community of approximately 15+ runners became a community of ~3 runners (or less). While new glitches are fun, the amount of route changes that this game has endured in the last months has discouraged people from running. Now that the route has solidified, we are seeing an influx of newer runners, who will be again discouraged from running this game.

At this point in time S&Q has been a more "free" category that allows and encourages glitches, in the same style as Link's Awakening original. I think that a differentiation between these two categories will actually make both categories worth running in that they'll FINALLY BE DIFFERENT, while not adding to the oversaturation of categories. At this point, S&Q would be very different from Warpless, which would be still very different from Legacy. This split will allow for very differing routes that allow for further ways of mastering this game.

Discuss.