@seanpr that's exactly what I was looking for, if I ever have a chance after I get out of basic I would love to run with you guys, as I really do love speedrunning and playing the game, just have been to lazy to actually get up to the task of doing it. Thank you for having a discussion

@pentaleks That comparison between paper Mario and borderlands makes no sense, I wasnt talking about the accessiblity of the game I was talking about playing the game in a way that is not representative of what you would be playing if you just picked it up at the store, though much faster and in a different way.

Also I've gone through the main story enough in 6 years to know that itd be more fun to do and more interesting to watch if there where some sort of diversity between runs, between characters, between runners sorry if I upset you I'm just trying to have a conversation

I do enjoy watching the axton pov of co op runs, but even so outside of co op all of the characters runs just seem to be the same, because builds don't actually matter, unless you're playing zero or gaige, imo, it's just the same thing every run , no diversity what so ever. I feel like I have more to say, but I can't think of it. Moral of the story is if you run the game I think current patch runs would be fun for the whole family, even if theyre harder or longer, give em a try

That's where I disagree with you. In other games(paper Mario) there are parts of the run were you just lose due to rng, but those game still has a hefty speedrun community. If I had the time or the passion i would run these categories because I truly love borderlands and think it would be fun to route the game around, maybe farming certain things like doing in memoriam, just because getting a fastball is so useful in allowing you to be underleveled but still kill big enemies. I think this would add a new dynamic and make the game less dull for those runners and viewers who are tired of not even aiming after lvl 10.

This is just my opinion though, feel free to disagree

I believe the run as it stands requires more knowledge than legitimate skill, grenade jumps are probably one of the more difficult things to do in the run, imo, but I've never actually run it, just played casually ever since it was released. RNG is also not a huge factor almost at all in current runs, which is one of my complaints.

No I'm fine with glitches, i just disagree with the practice of down patching to make things that would otherwise be impossible possible, and really think runs, especially solo runs, are really uninteresting when the only point of conflict is how long will it take me to get a quad and a vladoff rocket launcher.

I would break ground in this current patch category but, I cannot because I am leaving to join the military very soon, also I'm admittedly not interested in speed running myself but, really do enjoy watching you guys do your thing, have fun running and debating

Runs on the current patch, in my opinion, would be much more interesting to run, route, and watch, as they would add diversity to the run not only in rng but also in playstyle and skill. Where as runs on older patches both require 3rd party software (patcher) and are much less diverse and, in my opinion, are much less interesting to run, watch, and route for, since the routes are generally the same unless a new skip or glitch is found.

I believe if current patch runs where done as well as older patch runs it could be very good for the community as a whole. I am in no way suggesting to remove old runs because they are boring to me but, instead imploring the runners of this game to give current patch runs a chance, and for the moderators to open up categories for those run, as it would encourage people to actually run it.

TL;DR: Old patch run are both less diverse and less interesting, imo, and current patch runs could be more fun to watch, run, and route. Don't remove old runs,but do new runs on current patch

Thank You

I was wondering if the all quest runs include the dlc as well and if not why is there no category for all quest with dlc or any speeds in that involves the dlc which is one of the best parts of this game