I recently wanted to add new misc categories for Payday 2's IL, however for some reason they still display on the main leaderboard page (while they are hidden as expected when looking actual runs, just like for full game leaderboards). Because there are 8 categories, they can't all be displayed at the same time and some go off-screen.

http://imgur.com/a/IHXwG

I suggest that you add a "Hide IL mist categories" checkbox so that you can choose whether they will be displayed or not on the main page.

Just gonna leave that link: https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/611h5e/guide_how_to_download_older_versions_of_a_game_on/

It wasn't working perfectly for Payday 2 as some updates crashed each in a different manner, and some others worked fine. I have yet to find a way to make it work properly with all updates, and also actually understand what is downloaded and what isn't. However they all downloaded fine. If that workaround kinda worked for a game with 200+ updates though, I can see it work for Stardew Valley.

Hey guys, we've acknowledged the negative feedback for the latest changes. As such the leaderboards have been reverted back to what they were before yesterday (hopefully).

Sorry for the inconvenience! Keep running.

By the way, we've temporarily decided that U135 (April Fools update) is banned due to the ricochet mechanic that breaks game balance.

(they are just hidden)

¤APRIL FOOLS JOKE¤

Hello runners,

We've listened to your demands and updated the leaderboards to add a few new categories and rules:

• Mods are now mandatory to submit a run.
• Added the OD or above 5 players category. It now is the main category for the game.
• Added 100% subcategory. You must retrieve every loot bag, loose money and package of a level! Do not forget to bring your HUD mod.
• Added all mutators subcategory. Mutators must be set on maximum settings.

As a result, current any% and glitchless categories have been wiped out new.

But that's not all: we've finally introduced full-game runs, namely the old safehouse run and the hockey minigame! Do not forget to show crew end stats at the end of your run as usual.

Hope you enjoy!

The PD2 moderation crew

(Triple post, yay)

I managed to fix that thanks to Jigu and Ig, now works wonders.

Be sure to copy and replace the old files in your Payday 2 folder, WITHOUT deleting up-to-date files, otherwise you'll crash like me! And make backups. Lots of backups.

So, I tested it with U93 using also some tips from the U78 subreddit. Sadly it crashes after a few seconds in, other than that it seems to work fine. Here's my crash log if anyone wants to try and fix that:

Application has crashed: access violation

Callstack:

     payday2_win32_release  (???)     ???                                                 
     payday2_win32_release  (???)     ???                                                 
     payday2_win32_release  (???)     ???                                                 
     payday2_win32_release  (???)     ???                                                 
     payday2_win32_release  (???)     ???                                                 
     payday2_win32_release  (???)     ???                                                 
                  kernel32  (???)     BaseThreadInitThunk                                 
                     ntdll  (???)     RtlInitializeExceptionChain                         
                     ntdll  (???)     RtlInitializeExceptionChain                         

Current thread: packages/game_base_init

System information: Application version : 1.46.4 CPU : Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2350M CPU @ 2.30GHz (2 cores); SSE; SSE2; SSE3; SSSE3; SSE4.1; SSE4.2 DirectX : 10.0 GPU : Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000 / nvumdshim.dll[10.18.13.5850] Language : @ID94cca2fdaccfc2cd@ Memory : 43979 0MB OS : 6.1.7601 (Service Pack 1) 0x100-0x1 (64 bits) Physics : threaded Renderer : DX9 threaded Sound : VIA Technologies, Inc. (Haut-parleurs (VIA High Definition Audio))

Thanks for your find, I'll try it out later!

Hello there.

A all loot/100%/whatever category has been considered but many maps have a random number of loot bags, like The Diamond for example. That means we can't verify that everything has been secured, unless we break the #1 rule aka game must be vanilla (and even HUD mods aren't reliable, as Overkill sometimes place loot that can randomly spawn out of the map, and this loot only moves to the map if RNG decides it spawns). You brought up Golden Grin and you are totally right. There is a fixed number of bags here (31, I think too), same for many other maps like Slaughterhouse, Art Gallery, Shadow Raid, Meltdown, etc. Finally there are maps like Goat Simulator where any% = 100%. As you can see that's a rather complex question. If we eventually happen to add such a category it would only be a misc category with less strict rules. But don't look forward to it for now. Same thing for Gage Packages, with the difference that this one is perfectly doable, and may be added as a fun category. I like the idea, just afraid that it would be underrun, but then again it would be misc.

Contractor/full game runs, as Master said, will be added at the end of the support. The game is still often updated and a run can quickly become obsolete. A patch filter wouldn't work because this is the kind of runs that only have an interest on long term. We'd end up with a lot of runs, but all on different game versions, no point in doing that for now. Anyway, with or without OOB, if Overkill adds a new map, it's very likely that the new run is going to be longer than the previous one.

On the subject on game versions, this is particularly true for Payday 2: we'd totally need a way to change game version as many glitches or features are only present on some builds of the game. Sadly, there is no official way to do that, only way is having a crack. Now, this isn't a problem per se as everybody here owns the official game (I hope!), however I've only personally managed to find one serious site and they only keep the 5-6 most recent versions. I'd have to contact the hackers to see if they still have backups of very old builds and if they can cooperate with the speedrunning community.

Finally, pro jobs were never listed in first place, as pro jobs do not affect gameplay, only rewards and the no second chance gimmick of course. But since runs have to be single-segment, you can already say they are sort of pro jobs.

I hope it answers most of your concerns. Have a nice week.

Yes, you are allowed to do so. Even before they were added, it wasn't forbidden to disconnect and join back, so you can't control skill switching anyway.

That is a - now fixed - glitch, you can find info in this guide: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=769258277

Sadly, it is no longer achievable unless you find and play on an older version of the game.

I'd rather wait until the end of the game's support to add misc challenges like this one. Especially since Infamy 3.0 is supposedly coming with infinite infamy.

This includes any kind of mods, even cosmetic mods that don't help you, as they are third-party modifications.

For now, glitch pretty much equals major skip. There can be few adjustments, like Minigun speedboost becoming a glitch while it is not a major skip, and kicking which is a major skip being allowed in glitchless category. Anyway this will be common sense and if something needs to be clearer, we can edit rules and the skip guide.

Regarding console, I still think it is unnecessary. Console version, while updates are not the same, don't have exclusive features or glitches, at least that matter in runs. Console version runs at 30 fps and lower though, however it doesn't affect time but rather just the game's difficulty. Unlike in the tournament version, there are no framerate requirements here so it is fine. If you wanted to, you could submit a run with cops not even moving because the game is running at 15 fps. It would just feel off to add an artificial category which would be totally empty.

Haha, I was about to ask for the same thing.

I come from Payday 2, because the game is still being developed we can't add full game and contractor runs at the moment, so we only have level runs with 4 different categories: Any Difficulty Solo, Any Difficulty Co-op, Death Wish (the highest difficulty) Solo, Death Wish Co-op.

Recently we have added new Any% and Glitchless subcategories, because some runs use glitches that have been patched since and some runners were upset about that. However, while they show up perfectly when you are checking a level: http://www.speedrun.com/pd2/Aftershock#DW_Solo you can't filter the main leaderboard of all levels using these subcategories to see the best time of any% and glitchless in all 4 main categories. http://www.speedrun.com/pd2

I think that's what PreFiXAUT is asking for too. Adding these subcategories, let's say in the top-left corner, to allow people to filter the main IL leaderboard and thus WRs and not only a specific IL.

Your last point is definitely true. But when the game is finished being developed we'll be able to add full game and contractor runs for those asking for them.

Yup, you will have to submit up to 4 times, this is a work in progress though, but anyway even if you forget to submit in some categories or mess up with all the tags we are here to correct that. Eventually there will be an any% leaderboard where faster glitched runs obsolete slower glitchless runs, then the glitchless leaderboard. The major issue is that you can't use these categories to filter the main leaderboard, you have to check a specific level. I'll ask the admins if it is possible to filter that way.

I won't add a console category for 2 reasons : eventually new gen console versions will be the same as PC versions, at least regarding heists and major mechanics, and just like there aren't enoguh glitched runs, there aren't enough console runs. (If that was a joke, excuse me, I'm waking up).

I'll have to talk with Cladall about that.

Originally we thought that there weren't enough heists that were concerned by glitches and thus an indicator would be more than enough.

However when making the guide I've realized that about 20% of all heists are affected, and thus glitchless times often fall behind. For someone who visits the site, it may be annoying not to separate glitched and glitchless times, and I know it is frustrating for a lot of runners to no longer be able to beat an old glitched record.

Still, it can't really be added due to the individual level nature of runs, as it would double the amount of categories..

Hi,

I've made a guide on Steam that contains all known skips, glitches and techniques that are useful for speedruns, as well as on which update they work.

Unless mentioned, these glitches are the famous "major skips".

I've also added the guide on SRC, for now it is a link to the Steam guide.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=769258277

Since thankfully the code story is not obsolete, I unsticky this thread.

I think it is a neat idea, especially since PAYDAY 2 speedrunners seem to run each on their own, and while the community is still active, there isn't a lot of cohesion within it.

A Discord would be the best place to discuss about new strats, brief people on some runs, asking questions to mods, or just jerking off.