My two cents: sorry but the code grab should be mandatory unless a real glitch is found. Having the (RNG generated) code at the train bypassing the grab step is cheating by any standard in any community of this site. (No matter if it can be guessed 1 out of 10000 combinations). RNG is an integral part of any game you can't just remove it. You are abusing and extending the meaning of Any% (finish the game the fastest way possible). Runs using the exploit should be banned and those two Any% categories be merged. The leaderboard and the rules are a mess. If you want to keep those runs they should be put in Miscellaneous under a "Cheat%" category or so. Please add more experienced Mods.

Thank you @D00Mka, I actually bought the game at the end :) FYI: https://limitedrungames.com/products/limited-run-362-darkwood-ps4?_pos=1&_sid=40d8368db&_ss=r However, the product will not ship until 2-3 months after the date of the initial sale because it is a phisical copy limited edition. Don't hold you breath to see my runs if any.

Hello there, any reason why this game doesn't have a PC/Console sub category separation? All games I run have that separation. It's clearly more appealing for a console runner to enter this community. It's almost impossible to compete fairly PC VS Console in any game, but especially on this game. Keyboards/mouse VS controller, lower Frame Per Second and so inputs lags on console, slower load times, etc.. Darkwood is having a special PS4 edition phisical copy soon, I was thinking to buy it and run it eventually, but not if the leaderboard is like this. Does it make sense?

RTA is already the primary time of sorting. IGT is there only as "statistic" and for people that care more about IGT.

@TheBritishRunner I always appreciate constructive criticism and opinion. I'm not here to rule but to help as much as I can. I felt you crossed the line a couple of times. Anyway, let's settle saying I'm more sensible than average.

Coming to the rules, I adjusted a couple of phrases to make it more clear. Fixed the word "Mandatory" in the Forum thread which was a mistake. Finally changed the naming Single Segment and Segmented to simply Load Checkpoints Yes or No. No discimination for either options, just an additional info.

Here a practical example of why I suggest to use some sort of timing when possible. This is my Remothered run, look at the minute 00:54 of the VOD, Twitch completely cut 4 seconds of the run and spliced the video. You can notice from the Playstation Elapsed Time how that jumps from 23:05 to 23:09 Remothered just like Daymare 1998 is timed by RTA. I didn't even notice those missing 4 seconds when I submitted my run and I submitted with time 00:40:17 because I took the beginning and the end time of the VOD. Actualy the Mod of Remothered made me notice the problem and likely we had the PlayStation Elapsed time to see how much time was cut off from the VOD. The run was re-timed 00:40:21 and likely not rejected. If I didn't have that timing the run should have been rejected, and I would have agreed of course. There is no way to say what's the real RTA at that point. I hope this clarify even further my point. Anyway, again it's not mandatory and just a suggestion. It doesn't even apply to you, I saw you usually stream using LiveSplits so you won't have any problem mate.

That's great, thank you for working on this. I things it is much better now.

I must say I almost regretted proposing this, sometimes my OCD for orders and consistency takes over my brain :) It was not a big deal if you kept it the way it was.

Just I want to clarify my sentence "make those categories less "meme" ". I may have sounded offensive for someone. I didn't mean to. What I meant is that I know many runners that consider eveything falling under "Miscellaneous" or "Extended category" meme, even if it's not meme at all. That's why it was a good idea to move it out of there.

Anyway thanks again for sorting this.

Hello @TheBritishRunner ,

I don’t understand the need of a video when you could have just contacted me, but hey, this is what it is.

Let’s try to break down every point one by one. Shall we?

For RTA calculation, the runs begins when the first cutscene starts and ends when the last boss is dead and the cutscene start. IGT is showed up on the final screen.

Those are easy points where clearly define a start and an end, practical for people using LiveSplits manually and also starting and finishing in those points gives IGT and RTA as close as you can get in case of no Load Checkpoints, deaths etc..

All runs need game audio, if your run has portions muted due to copyright music your run will be rejected. Music also must not overpower the game audio.

This is the most common rule you can find on all speedrun.com site. Even if not explicitly written in the rule pages of every game, this rule is usually implied. Full VOD with full Audio is the bare minimum to submit a run. Anyway, this rule is there more to help runners than to create barriers. Without audio most of the times there is no real way for someone to prove they are not cheating. Example, if there's any inconsistencies in the video (dropped frames, bad encoding, etc) then people would be freely open to accuse you of cheating. Audio is generally far more important in runs than video for proving proofs. I follow hundreds of games and speedrunners streamers and never came across a game community where they accept runs without audio. If you know one please show me just for my curiosity.

LiveSplits and broadcasting elapsed timing on Console are both strictly recommended.

Three points here:

1. Maybe there is a misunderstanding because I said “LiveSplits and broadcasting elapsed” while I should have wrote “LiveSplits or broadcasting elapsed”. Who doesn’t have a capture card doesn’t need also LiveSplits on Console.
2. This is not really a rule but rather a suggestion. Given that the game is mainly timed with RTA, submissions with dropped frames must be rejected for obvious reasons. I found myself in this situation in the past running Remothered, Twitch lost a whopping 4 seconds creating de facto a spliced run, but luckily I was streaming showing the Playstation Broadcasting Elapsed Time on screen and that’s what saved my run. I don’t want to be in the position of rejecting any run possibly ever, so I advise to use some form of timing on screen. That’s all.
3. My bad “Rules” didn’t match the forum post about the rules. I wrote “Mandatory” in the forum thread which is an error. I did initially wrote Mandatory everywhere, but then quickly realised that not everyone has a way to show timing. I fixed this oversight. Thanks for making me notice this.

Usage of Turbo / Macros in runs is not allowed.

This is basic cheating for me, I don’t know if in any community those are allowed, but I actually think this is another implicit rule not written anywhere because an obvious rule just like the Audio rule. I decided to write it just to be sure. You can Google what those are.

Submissions must contain all footage for the runs provided. Any missing footage (not counting cutscenes) could result in the run being rejected. Extended periods of time spent in the pause screen will also invalidate a run. (Limit 2 minutes per pause)

The first part of the sentence I believe to be pretty standard and obvious. The 2 minute rule is not carved in stone. It’s just an indication. What this basically means is that I cannot accept abuse of pause. Imagine someone submitting a run where the runners runs 10 minutes then he/she pauses to watch a VOD of another speedrunner for ten minutes because he/she doesn’t know the route etc.., then try to replicate for ten minutes and so on. Is this speedrunning? Maybe or maybe not. Do I accept this? No! I wrote 2 minutes just to give an indication. A runner can of course go to the toilet if he/she needs and similar, but I don’t accept abuse of pausing. I could have wrote I don’t accept abuse of pause rather than specify 2 minutes, but I guess in that case you would be here complaining about what that means. Isn’t it?

Submissions with dropped frames and without any livesplit or timing will be rejected.

Another obvious rule, this game is timed by RTA so there is a problem if someone drop frames and doesn’t have any timing showed.

Mods are not allowed.

I don’t accept any run of game where someone messed with the code basically.

Continues after deaths are allowed, but the run becomes Segmented. Continues after application crashes are allowed, but the run becomes Segmented. Load checkpoint is allowed, but the run becomes Segmented.

I think the problem with this rule is the naming convention I used Segmented/SS which means different things depending on the game. Probably those terms are misleading here and I’m open to suggestion maybe loads/no loads? Or resets/no resets? What is surely not accepted is spliced runs (many game communities call that Segmented). Reason for showing this info is simple as showcasing who made a run without loading checkpoints. You may have two runners with the same IGT but one runner died 20 times and another runner 0 times. I think it’s just fair to show the second runner never died or similar. Also indicating this helps people understand why a runner may have IGT=RTA and another runner a wide gap between IGT and RTA. Anyway, this rule doesn’t actually create barriers. Quite the opposite indeed. That info doesn’t define a category or anything, it’s just an info. To be completely honest if I got the moderation of this game from day one I would not accepted any run with deaths, nor any run with load checkpoints, not any run continued after application crashes and I would have timed the game with IGT and IGT only. However, all the runs in the leaderboard fell under those cases when I inherited the leaderboard, so I kept those cases as valid. Mods don’t own the leaderboard, leaderboards should be viewed as owned by the community and curated by the moderators.

You also complained about Rules be in a sticky locked post. I mean I think this is only a practicality. I like to keep rules tidy at the top of the Forum page. Imagine if every new runner needs to read all thread under the rules. It would create only confusion. Rules can be discussed in different forum post. I’m open to change rules of course and I would update the rules in the top Sticky Locked main post.

I hope this clarify all points. If you have any doubts you can write me on the forum, message me directly on speedrun.com or even contact me on Discord. No need of a video.

Finaly, yes I must say I didn’t like your video. It was offensive in more than one part. You personally attacked me, implying I created rules for my own benefit while it’s actually the opposite. You never contacted me to discuss the rules and you don’t know me. I don’t know if you had problems with other Mods in other communities, but not all Mods are the same. I don’t think I deserve this treatment. You picked the wrong person here. I made a name for myself in various communities complaining about rules just like you. Always trying to be polite, be respectful, make my points and give suggestions. Most of the time I complain about inclusivity and transparency. That’s actually why I wrote everything possible in the rules for transparency. They seem lots of rules but almost them all are basic implicit rules of the entire speedrun.com site, others rather than be rules are ways to avoid run rejected helping runners more than moderators. In many parts of your video I have only heard complains and offenses without suggestions, this is not the best business card.

I don’t know what you wanted to imply with the fact that I have a run in every category. I became moderator and felt obliged to at least have a run in every category. I mean really every mod should have a run in every category of a game he/she moderates. Moderator should be seen as an expert of the game. Not necessarily a WR holder, but at least showing to know the game. Isn’t it? That’s just my opinion. Truth is my times sucks, all can be improved 10+ minutes I believe. They are all free WRs. I lost motivation pretty quickly due to lack of competition.

Just to add a bit of history, I fought for over a month to become a Mod of this game. Reason being that the other Mod is completely inactive. He only requested the game for the site to submit his own runs and then disappeared basically. Until 3 weeks ago you could submit runs only on PC Daymare mode. There was no way to submit a run for console for example. I took control of the leaderboard 3 weeks ago and made some order, specified the rules, even contacted runners that had runs on Youtube but not on the site to increase submissions. I don’t expect it to be perfect now, but believe it’s a big progress. I’m open to every suggestion, but I don’t tolerate people that want to create a toxic environment.

Reason why there are just few runs in the leaderboard is not because of the rules, written just few weeks ago, but rather because this game is an Indie low budget game, the game application used to crash a lot until patches arrived, especially in the fountain puzzle. Notorious speedrunners and streamers stayed away from the game for that reason after trying it. Other reason why we have few runs is because people don’t like the magazine reload, developers created the “Modern-Take” mode only recently to overcome that problem. Indeed I had the first run in a long time to verify made on that mode.

If you have a backbone I do actually expect your apology for offending me and personally attacking me for no reason whatsoever. Either way I hope to see your runs soon.

Hello everyone, me again 🙂

I appreciate there is a bit of work involved, but wouldn't make more sense to move all "Chapters" categories under "Individual Level Runs"?

That would make it more consistent and coherent compared to other games on the site and it would also make those categories less "meme" taking them out of "Misc.". I have never seen single chapters as categories before.

It should be pretty straight forward to move all runs, isn't it?

What's your thought?

Thank you so much!! Really appreciated. Expect my first runs pretty soon. :D

Hi everyone,

I recently started learning Detention. Unfortunately, I immediately noticed how the PS4 version is way slower than the Switch version. Only in the Prologue (first two splits) I was already behind over 25 seconds despite a clean try and the fact that the WR holder goes to the wrong door in the first classroom.

I tried to compare the videos side by side and noticed that PS4 loses time vs Switch basically everywhere in the game, but mostly in the loading between rooms.

One example: http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/5f086d0135994-detention-comparison-switch-vs-ps4.php I lose 4/5 seconds only from the Auditorium to the blood river.

Another example: http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/5f0869df7cff2-comparison-switch-vs-ps4.php Despite the WR holder goes the wrong way in the first room, she arrives 8 seconds before me to the Auditorium.

I was excited to run this game, but it makes no sense to learn it and try compete against Switch. No way I can beat that time.

Is there any chance you would consider a Sub-Sub-Category under "Console"? "Switch" and "PS4" basically separated under "Console".

Many other games separate console when they are different in loading and no IGT. One example: https://www.speedrun.com/re4console

Please, please consider this change. Thanks!

Hello there, I would like to become moderator of Close to the sun: https://www.speedrun.com/close_to_the_sun I honestly have no runs for the game atm. However I beat the game on PC in the past and I'm considering to buy the game again for PS4, running it there potentially. The leaderboard has no moderators whatsoever at the moment, not sure how that is possible. You can see from my profile I'm already moderator of other games and I'm focusing on playing and running Indie Italian Horror games lately and this game is one of those (I'm from Italy). Can i be added please? it is anyway better than not to have any moderator isn't it? I understand if the answer is no. Thanks.

In date 19/06/20 a new update for PC was released:

https://store.steampowered.com/newshub/app/842100/view/2450469673179179499

The new update brings a brand new game mode called "Modern-Take" with:

• faster movement
• easy reload (no ammo management)
• puzzles skips As well as two new maps for H.A.D.E.S. Dead End and other adjustments!

The leaderbaord will change accordingly, all the present runs will fall under the name "Classic 90s" (as te in game new naming) and a new category will be opened for the "Modern-Take" mode.

For RTA calculation, the runs begins when the first cutscene starts and ends when the last boss is dead and the cutscene start. IGT is showed up on the final screen.

The IGT of this game is somewhat peculiar. If you either "Load Chechpoint" at any time or close the application and "Continue" from the main menu or save a file and load the saved file the IGT goes back to the time you had at that Checkpoint.

For this reason RTA is chosen as main timing, however you can try to achieve the best possible IGT, all these are allowed:

1. Continues after deaths are allowed, but the run becomes Segmented.
2. Continues after application crashes are allowed, but the run becomes Segmented.
3. Load checkpoint is allowed, but the run becomes Segmented.

Submissions must contain all footage for the runs provided. Any missing footage will result in the run being rejected.

LiveSplits or broadcasting timing on Console are both strictly recommended.

@Daravae Thank you very much! Really appreciated.

Hello @Daravae, as you requested I performed a run in the only category available and submitted it to the site as well. https://www.speedrun.com/daymare1998/run/m353654y

To recap, still no answer from the SuperMod anywhere, I can provide proofs of these if needed: I wrote him on Discord the 29th of April; I worte him a direct message on SRC; I wrote 3 posts on the forum, the oldest being 11 days ago; I wrote him on his Twitter account; I wrote him on Youtube commenting his video about Daymare 1998; I wrote him on PlayStation Network asking freidnship in mid-May;

He doesn't care about the game or the leaderboard, he just wanted to submit his own runs for a game that wasn't on the site at that time.

Please accept my request to become SuperMod and also if possible remove RabiWilliam.

For your info, Dawn of Fear is about to be releaed on Steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1244860/Dawn_of_Fear/

All the improvements and bug fixes of the patch 1.02 wil be available only on the Steam version. Due to the Covid19 situation developers had no access to the Playstation development kit. No date or further info about a possible patch 1.02 for PS4 at the time of writing.

Hello @Daravae, I don't understand you answer and yes, I did carefully read all rules. I believe I have followed all requirements as well tbh. As I explained I have a run but I don't have a category to submit it to. Another runner has the same problem too.

Rules in the first post of this thread don't say anywhere: "You need a pending run first of an EXISTING CATEGORY". It actually says "Site staff will MOST OFTEN need to see a pending run by you to make a moderation change for inactivity." In my case, as I explained I have a run which can't be pending becasue the category is missing (Just to show you, I have just submitted it in the wrong category even though that should be rejected). Running the "EXISTING CATEGORY" Daymare mode (Hard mode) for this game on Console is mental. It is not a speedrun but rather a challenge run. It's like asking me to make a Hard Mode Knife-Only run on Resident Evil to be allowed to submit a Standard Any% run. The moderator added the only category he run once and he doesn't answer anyone requesting to add all other more standard categories. He just left the site after accepting his own run basically.

If you don't want to remove the RabiWilliam the only SuperMod now, can you please at least add me as SuperMod as well? Following this other rule: "Leaderboards should aim to have at least 3 active moderators if qualified people are available." so that I can fix the leaderboard (all issues I described in the other post) as well as I can accept my run and the other runner run adding the missing categories.

If the other SuperMod doesn't show up I will re-ask you to remove him in a month from now or so. Deal?

Please consider this option.

@ACPlay18 It should be this: https://discord.gg/MnPPfv

Hello there, I would like to request the Moderation of "Daymare 1998" and the removal of the currect SuperMod RabiWilliam. https://www.speedrun.com/daymare1998 https://www.speedrun.com/user/RabiWilliam/info Offline for over a month now.

The only current moderator is completely unresponsive, he basically created his SRC account while requesting the moderation of the game at the same time and then disappeared after posting his runs and accepting runs submitted on the same days/week he was running.

There are evident problems with the board as well:

1. The moderator submitted 3 times the same run and didn't fix it. He probably doesn't know how to do it or bother fixing it.
2. The game has three level of difficulties (Easy - Normal - Daymare), but you can submit a run only for the difficulty the moderator run (Daymare). There are runners like Optinoob and I that can't submit a run becasue we have no Easy category available
3. The name of the category should be changed to "Any%" and sub categories based on difficulty are needed.
4. You have both RTA and IGT when RTA is absolutely not needed and every run and runner has a different way to evaluate the RTA. start and finish point for RTA calculation.
5. Not all console the game is available are selectable (i.e. see Xbox), and PS4 was added 3 months ago when the game wasn't actually avaialble on console yet.
6. The game has a DLC Extra called "H.A.D.E.S. Dead End" which is not included neither as Level Leaderboard nor as Sub-Game.

I tried to contact the SuperMod RabiWilliam in every possible way:

1. The 29th of April I contacted and writed him on Discord. He accepted the friend request, but never replied! (I can provide proofs) He is online on Discord even now, but still no asnwer to me.
2. Mid May I found his PSN ID, so I asked him the friendship and wrote a message on the Playstation Network. No reply! (I can provide proofs)
3. The 26th of May I posted on the forum: https://www.speedrun.com/daymare1998/thread/w8xfh No reply!
4. The 1st of June I posted another thread on the forum: https://www.speedrun.com/daymare1998/thread/133bk No reply!
5. Two days ago I posted a guide for the game and nobody contacted me or comment on that either https://www.speedrun.com/daymare1998/guides

Tired of waiting an answer, today I finally run the game even if a category for me doesn't exist yet. I hope I haven't wasted time learning the game. but I can't submit it tho.

Personally I think he doesn't even speak English, he shows the UK flag on speedrun.com but all his video on YT are in Korean, pretty dodgy in my opinion. I might be wrong here.

Please accept my request. I can take care of the leaderboard better than the current mod.

It was confirmed by the Mods @kniferun @Reavez there are advantages/disadvantages depending on Console due to FPS. One of the Mod even posted a table with estimated time save/loss depending on Console. Unfortunately I can't find it anymore. It would be nice if someone re-post that analysis here. Thanks