England"However if you're going to allow people to set it up surely we should be timing the setup time as well? Since that's actually part of the work that went into it."
Eh, we don't time the time put into beating the game the like, three or four times over to set the file up for NG+ runs and neither does any other game and I figure it's basically like that. It's kind of a pain in the ass to set up I imagine, but since runs already exist having done it clearly it's not enough of a deterrent for people.
disclaimer: i have not even beaten ethan must die and probably wouldn't run it i'm not really making this point for myself
Nightmare/Night Terror: Can these even be sped up? I thought it ran on its own timer? Otherwise, ruleset seems fine. I'd go for Option 2 myself because Option 1 still isn't really NG when you're going to start with things like extra scrap and some other stuff unlocked and relocking it is cumbersome and you'd have to do it after literally every attempt if you wanted "true" NG. I'd just let it rock. I doubt anyone will mind.
Bedroom: SeemsGood 21: SeemsGood (I note that no NG/NG+ split has been proposed for this one despite it being mostly the same as Nightmare in terms of having unlocks that affect things, just to kinda bolster that point.) Daughters: SeemsGood
Jack's 55th: That ruleset sounds like an incredibly complicated way to use the IGT where it doesn't seem that appropriate due to how much the game allows you to modify it more akin to a score attack than a speedrun. I'd just ditch much of that and use an RTA timer, it'd be way less of a headache and much simpler for players to understand.
Ethan Must Die: Banning death statues outright seems weird, since it's a pretty ordinary feature of that gamemode and people have already done runs using it and it feels kinda off to me to retroactively decide said runs don't count after the fact. I don't really want a second category myself either, but I like leaderboards to have all the times, especially the faster ones.
(as a sidenote I'm surprised it's taken this long for stuff to happen about the DLC OSsloth )
I would want substantially more looking into the Japanese version on PC done before any action about it takes place, it's only 15 seconds and is consequently not a massive deal at the moment but currently I get the impression no-one's really tried that hard to get it?
Accessing the japanese windows store is super easy, but I have no idea about the process of actually buying something off it, I don't really have the cash on hand to try at the moment.
would rather explore the options first than category things off immediately
also I'm being a dick because you're being an indignant dumbass and writing long rambly, terribly formatted posts about the mere concept of needing to buy versions of games to go fast. Welcome to speedrunning, enjoy your stay. RE7 is not special, and neither are you.
local men encounters regional differences in speedrunning for the first time.
PC is a bit more complicated. Console is absolutely no different from any other game, there's no particular reason to be special snowflakes about it.
"since you mods have the power to make stuff fair for everyone"
The change you propose would not be fair to the Japanese. The problem goes both ways. If I were a japanese runner, I would be pissed if my run got shunted off onto a different board because of a minor 15 second difference. Why should we force Japanese players to play on a /slower/ version of the game to compete with everyone else? That's not fair at all.
You're not thinking of everyone and it's a little galling that this gets called fair. It totally disregards an entire sect of the playerbase.
" idk how WR being locked into one region being an old thing of speed running justifys it still"
because the point of speedrunning is to go fast, the japanese version is faster.
" why the developer changes in the game for Japanese regions make guys bend to the Japanese/1 region when everyone else from the world make up 90% of the population of the leaderboards"
pffft this is so funny
It's censorship that makes the game faster, I really doubt Capcom was trying to make everyone double-dip the game for speedrun purposes lmao.
WR being only possible on a specific regional version of the game is nothing particularly new to speedrunning. It doesn't generally stop 99% of the people who play.
e; i'm not a mod of this game
xbox can change the store region and download it off that, it's still pretty easy
and console category is the /third/ most active category on the website. It's still pretty much entirely the opposite of "not dead". Tryin to call it dead sorta flies totally in the face of the overwhelming statistical evidence to the contrary.
"without giving up a kidney to compete"
If you're selling your kidneys for sixty dollars American, you are getting ripped off.
also ps4s are region free, you just need the disc, you don't need a japanese ps4.
edit: fucking post editing ninja
"since everyone cannot obtain a Japanese Censored version"
It's like 40 dollars on play-asia or something if you're on console.
we're trying to work out a solution for PC, but splitting it into a category seems like a hasty move. And really, if a japanese person beats the record a bit with the censored version...so what? Making an entire category for 15 seconds seems kinda daft and also sort of a mild fuck you to the Japanese.
"I feel like a lot of people are discouraged to even run NG+ EASY"
it is the most ran video game category on the entire website nobody is discouraged
"the category is dead atm "
¤5 new runs posted today alone¤
Please think before you write things. It's the most active thing on the entire website. It literally could not be any less dead.
I wonder if this is a conversation that would even be occurring if they'd chosen to use a steadily decreasing point counter instead of representing it in time formatting.
My input is that I'm not sure if this is really a good fit for a time-centric leaderboard? The means of representing it is slightly different, but it's basically a score attack sort of thing. You can house-rule it to use no time bonuses and not shoot bobbleheads, or just go fuck it entirely and count RTA but that all seems like more hassle than it's worth for something that's fundamentally not really about time, but about a scoring system with time as the framing device.
I'm assuming this isn't a statistic the API gives you access to, but can you see how many runs a mod has rejected?
mainly because while we're just, throwing every single stat on the table I kinda want to see that one
Obvious thing about one-hit kill that I didn't know until like, a day ago.
you need to use the alt attack by holding right mouse (I don't know what the console equivalent is) and then hitting left click
most people probably don't need to be told this but I suspect there is at least one person as dumb as me
isn't making sure runs are accurately timed part of the whole responsibility of modding
It's not /that/ arduous. I know this is a busy leaderboard, but you have eight mods. You can manage.
shit i'd do it, I really super duper doubt it's that unmanageable even for RE7. Sonic Adventure 2's been doing it for ages with no particular problems?
"This is the site that does not respect the MGS community with humiliating leaderboard"
Do you not understand that the MGS community itself operates the speedrun.com leaderboards? Every leaderboard on this site is ran by the community of the game in question. Is this the source of your confusion?
Daughters probably isn't worth a board tbh. Jack's 55th is kind of a score attack thing (you can pause the IGT with time bonuses) more than an actual speedrun. 21 doesn't have an IGT either. If there's demand for Daughters or 21 to do RTA runs with then I don't really see why not, mind you, probably wouldn't do it myself but I'm also not about to tell other people how to have fun.
Ethan Must Die has an actual IGT clear time that can't be manipulated and therefore probably is actually worth a board.
i'm kinda surprised people aren't racing this game already considering how many people apparently run it
I only know NG+ Easy and have never touched another category but yeah why not I could stand to race sometime.
"I have denigrated nobody here"
Bullshit. You took an accusatory and harsh tone pretty much out of the gate against the entire MGS community, and then further still to a lot more games.
if this wasn't your intent, then you screwed the pooch super hard
