But the question is, will it save a framerule?

I think he means if you can do it without pressing left or right, but I might be mistaken. But if I'm not, I don't know.

I'd give it to the end of 2020, but I do agree that it won't happen anytime soon.

You can't say something isn't possible. I don't think humans have looked at all the codes in the game for all the glitches. And I don't think we have found all these glitches by running through the game's codes. The 4-2 "TAS" clip is theoretically possible by human. Just because we haven't done it yet, that doesn't mean it's impossible. And with 1-1 FPG, 1-2 Pipe Clip, 4-1 FPG, 4-2 "TAS" clip, 8-1 Framerule Save, 8-2 BBG & Framerule Save, 8-3 FPG, and an 8-4 that's 3 frames faster than the 8-4 in Kosmic's .462, (which can be done by doing everything the same BUT with an additional 2 backwards accels - saving 4 frames) the human best possible time is (theoretically), 4:54.98.

Hmm, must've not remembered it. My bad. 🤔

The 8-4 needed for 8-4 isn't impossible, it's just really hard. For NOW we're not gonna get it RTA. The 8-4 needed only has to be 3 frames faster than the fastest 8-4 done in a speedrun (which is Kosmic's 4:56.462). So you can just do 2 backwards accels in 8-4, out of the 4 that you can do. Wes also lost 14 frames compared to the optimal 8-4. Which means we can save around 0.2 in 8-4 alone.

The only thing that really keeps us from getting 4:54, is the 4-2 clip. But the clip is theoretically possible. It may seem hard, but the inputs are likely human RTA-viable. Since humans can do both single-frame and frame-perfect inputs.

Where did you get an extra framerule save in 8-2? I don't think that's in neither of the WR analysis videos. And I've never heard of a framerule save in 8-2 besides the 2 framerule save of BBG. I'm wondering if humans can perform FPG like BBG. Since BBG is just Mario hitting the flag block by using a bullet bill. I know Ace's video was an April Fools prank, but since sometimes you can get FPG on accident while going for BBG, I wonder if humans could (at some point), do FPG in the form of BBG. 🤔

I think he'll be making a TAS of it too.

It seems like you have little faith of humans acheiving 4:54. There could be other glitches that we have never discovered yet.

"and just because someone can DO a clip doesn't mean they will get it every try," Humans don't HAVE to perform a trick/clip every try they attempt to perform it to get it in a run. Runs are still capable of dying to FPG, 1-2G, and BBG. But we've still gotten a dozen runs with those tricks. Humans may not have gotten the new 4-2 clip yet. For several years the standard 4-2 clip was thought impossible (several years ago), so humans never tried to do the trick. But now (for the past 2 years), humans found a way to perform the 4-2 clip. Just because someone hasn't done the 'new' 4-2 clip YET, that doesn't mean they can't do it. <- I don't think you were trying to say that it's impossible, but I said it anyway.

There are 2 quotes from @Bismuth that I follow.

1. "The limits are never where we think they are."

2. "If it is possible, it will be done."

I think if there was a glitch like that then we'd probably find it by now. But there could be. We are one of the most optimizing communities on SRC.

Right now we believe the human limit is 4:54.98. But if we discover future glitches we could bring the time down lower.

Wes said he's the 6th. But there could've been more people that've done it that we don't know about.

@LeKukie He's either the 5th or the 6th person who's done it. So several people have succeeded with it.

But they were done. Human skills can do them.

Wo.

But it is. I think, if I understand "single segment" correctly.

@Lul_ecks_dee 2 people have also gotten 4:55.

I think so. Since we know all the glitches that could bring us to 4:54. I think it's possible.

I don't think mobile is allowed, I've never seen anyone play the game on mobile. I'm not absolutely sure, but I think it's disallowed.

I think WiiU is slower because it's a port of the game, not the actual ROM. Which now that I think about it, doesn't make sense. But I think it's because for VC they're ports.

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I get what you're saying, and I agree. But for this situation it seems like a totally different wildfire.