"VOTING FOR THEIR OWN ACCORD... fatty told several people to vote yes, and I bet for shit you and fatty voted yes, you don't play the game." --- For the exact same reasons that you claim you didn't tell people to vote no, I did not tell people to vote yes

"imma go back to pvp and enjoy watching this game die quicker than before, because more people will quit" --- You mean to tell me that a large portion of players are going to quit speedrunning DE outright because people who do like autojump are allowed to use it in speedruns? Is this like the actual 12 year old mindset this community has? Because if so then I honestly don't care.

--- At this point I am starting to have the mindset that it's the community as a whole that is making people quit. Not Maxi alone, not you alone, not me alone; everyone. Because some people have quit because of certain people (Some me, some you, some Maxi, etc.). Some people even just got tired of the game in general. At this point, I doubt there is anything to do to detoxify / mature this community because (and I don't mean this as an insult) this game is comprised mainly of children who haven't developed enough to understand exactly how the world works (This includes me as well, we're all under adulthood in age), except waiting. I'm not sure if this community will ever mature, but if it does, let it be known that it is likely not because some person who is labeled "toxic" left the community, but rather because the community matured as a whole. I think we should just stop name-calling and all that other bullshit and get to the main issue at hand - Should 1.10 autojump be allowed?

The strawpoll suggests that it should be banned. However, the question is "Is the majority always right", and depending on your political view that answer may change. In a republic, the majority is always right, but in a democracy it's different. It depends on your stance. It appears that you, obviously, believe in a republic. We obviously do not. So maybe we need a free election here, I don't know. However, considering that:

1. It's not a supermajority, which in most systems overrules the higher authority (the mods in this case)
2. Only 2 / +30 people have spoken out against it (And only you harshly)
3. None of the reasons given are fully valid

This line is a test on Thunder's part to see if he actually reads these. I do not mean to offend, but he has been repeating points several times and fails to address our points several times. We have to assume that banning autojump is the logically wrong thing to do. And since we mods are obviously democratic, we need to do what we consider as "better for the people".

Please keep in mind as well that we do not force anyone to play in 1.10 and use autojump if they don't want to in runs. I also want to emphasize that I personally really don't think autojump will make or break the speedrun; autojump is finicky and can fuck you several times, and it still takes skill to use it properly (For instance, I still suck at TH stairs even with autojump).

Well since I am going to require you show the time in between games anyway I thought "might as well include as time and make the whole thing fast xd"

I apologize about the issues regarding the other strawpoll that was created for autojump. An answer will be determined for that soon.

Due to the apparent unanimous vote, the "All Maps" full game category has been added. There is 1 for each kit-category (The kits, Kitless, and Helpless). The timer starts when the first run is begun, and ends when the last run is ended. This will be ran in rta (it includes the time in between games) so you may use livesplit.

1. At least that reason is valid
2. Another reason could be that it allows more people to be good at the game and great players can be even greater so wrs can reach their max potential. Another one could be that it reduces the skill curve so more people would be willing to do it.
3. Maxx's argument is a repeat of 1 of the 3 that tiggz was talking about: "takes the skill out of the game"
4. It's a bad comparison because one is ping based but I like how your argument to ban RazorJ was that it made things harder but then the argument to ban autojump is that it makes things easier :okay_hand:

Vid?

1. As I said earlier, if they don't use speedrun.com, then why do they care whether speedrun.com bans autojump or not? Again, since they apparently don't use speedrun.com, that means they probably just speedrun for themselves, meaning they can just give themselves their own personal rules.

2. I never play on Minecraft to do multiple things; I don't grind WRs and pvp in the same session, and if you have a problem with playing in 1.10 for pvp and other things, then just switch when you're done parkouring.

3. Once again, making the game easier is NOT a reason to ban an intended feature of the game. Even if it makes the boosts of the game easier, that just means you have to be good at other things. Maybe there's a super boost you can do with autojump. IDK. The point is just because it makes the game easier doesn't mean it makes the game "easy". Even with autojump this game is still harder than a LOT of speedruns to this day, because you still have to perfect your movement. I don't understand why people are not getting this.

4. "Fatty basically told several people to vote yes. I put a link in my comments and people decided to vote no." If you're going to argue that what you did isn't telling people to say yes, then what I did isn't telling people to say yes either. I had a long argument with tac and then decided to create a strawpoll. I did not TELL anyone to vote in favor of allowing it. I may have persuaded, but I never told.

5. Why are you speaking for the entire community by saying it "doesn't want this decision made AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME" if they all voted and (apparently) have strong opinions about it.

6. How is it the case that almost every US player wants it allowed and almost every EU player wants it disallowed? That seems to be the case because after like 12 EST votes for "yes" started going back up. It doesn't make sense.

7. Reminder that it wouldn't be required and if you still want to not use autojump then go ahead, your incessant focus on world records is the reason you have an issue with this in the first place ;)

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The map I literally just threw it out there when Craftain was talking about Any% and people liked it so I made a strawpoll..

Also regardless the due date for the strawpoll is the 21st

I also never explicitly told people to vote yes. I had a long argument with tac and they were spectators, and then I ended up making the strawpoll. Most of them voted based on the argument or their own will.

Once again, maybe it isn't swayed, but I still think it is because I struggle to see how so many people think on the side of banning an intended feature (and also the community is usually predictable in that it goes for free wrs and banning autojump literally does the opposite (and don't say you said that earlier because it'll still eventually equalize, as shown with when OP leaps were introduced)). That is why this thread existed in the first place; to see actual people give responses. Maybe you could tell some people to give their opinion on here, and maybe I can understand fulling this apparent "majority" side

Also, why is everyone so closed-minded that they only see DE speedrunning as worth if they are getting World Records (at least in the case of "I don't want to be on speedrun.com until I get a world record"). That's a major problem I see in this community.

I also never explicitly told people to vote yes. I had a long argument with tac and they were spectators, and then I ended up making the strawpoll. Most of them voted based on the argument or their own will.

Once again, maybe it isn't swayed, but I still think it is because I struggle to see how so many people think on the side of banning an intended feature (and also the community is usually predictable in that it goes for free wrs and banning autojump literally does the opposite (and don't say you said that earlier because it'll still eventually equalize, as shown with when OP leaps were introduced)). That is why this thread existed in the first place; to see actual people give responses. Maybe you could tell some people to give their opinion on here, and maybe I can understand fulling this apparent "majority" side

Also, why is everyone so closed-minded that they only see DE speedrunning as worth if they are getting World Records (at least in the case of "I don't want to be on speedrun.com until I get a world record"). That's a major problem I see in this community.

"no one has a speedrun.com account". That means that by definition everyone who wasn't in the discord at the time of me making the strawpoll received it off of you. That means you would have had full capability to sway their votes.

Also, if none of them have a speedrun.com account and therefore don't use our speedrun.com page why would they even care whether autojump was banned or not on this site? If they think it's bad, they could just not do it in that case

I've not made a decision yet actually... I stated an opinion, but I haven't made anything official yet. The reason for this thread was actually so I can see the community's thoughts, because I really was not expecting this response to be like this. So maybe we should wait and see if anyone actually expresses the same beliefs as you have at this moment before we make any claims

Even if it makes it less "fun" or whatever, what we are still suggesting is that we don't allow for an intended feature of the game. I still think that's bullshit. In terms of trying to make the game more "fair", at this point I feel like we have concluded that no matter what happens, this game is going to be unfair. This game in itself is entirely ping based, which is why it's unfair. So banning an INTENDED FEATURE just to try and make things fair at this point is futile.

Also: Head boosts should not be affected, autojump can fuck you many times, and this game imo is still difficult compared to many other speedruns even with autojump. The only case making it "easy" and not just "easier" is considering getting wrs, which this community for some reason is way too focused on

It's that we're banning a feature of the game. Banning a feature of the game is actually stupid; the only reason I even made a strawpoll is because tac was being obnoxious. "The future of DE" should not honestly be a concern, because I don't see what it's going to do worse than making the game easier. When OP leaps were introduced it was almost the same idea; things became super easy and the community became a bit stupid, but in the end it balanced out. I don't understand why the game feature of Autojump is going to ruin DE.

Please explain how autojump is going to ruin DE (taking skill out of the game in itself does not ruin the game. Not even close)

You posted it in the comments of your latest video, publicly

https://gyazo.com/3634572fc49e970844b027296ebe5ad6

Just learned exactly what Thunder did. I'm leaving this up, I still want proof that a fair amount of people voted "no" for their own reasons, and not just because Thunder voted "no"

The difference I believe is that I was just arguing about the topic and they agreed with me. I don't know if Thunder did the same, or just said "Vote No" to rock the vote in his favor. That is the issue. Also, I was aware of the former, but not the latter, and the latter seems a lot more potent.

If the public actually does universally want it banned, I want to see those people and, out of curiosity on my part, ask why they are so universal on the ban. I don't see a problem with that, even if it comes out of something such as this

The reference strawpoll is here, but it itself is not the focus of this particular thread:

http://www.strawpoll.me/12369864

I went to bed with the strawpoll on 7/1 in favor of allowing it. When I woke up 8 hours later, the vote was 20/8 in favor of banning it. I was told later that Thunder apparently "publicly advertised" it. I am not going to directly claim that he rocked the vote in his favor with it.

That being said, out of curiosity, if there are apparently 18 unknown runners who think autojump should be banned (This is besides tac and Thunder), I would like to see at least 4 of these people respond to this thread with a valid reason as to why autojump should not be allowed.

Invalid reasons include: You have to play on 1.10 and up

"It makes the game take less skill" is a debatable reason but I strongly disagree with it

I'll give until the 22nd

(If the number of asked-for commenters goes up it's because the amount of people who voted "no" on the strawpoll went up. I probably won't make it go up though unless a significant increase occurs)

I still strongly believe that making the game easier should NOT be a reason to ban a strat outright

Maxi it's not even on by default in 1.10+ updates you retard