The base address of the memory positions must be different between CERO and the non-CERO versions with the 2/15 update. We probably "lucked out" with everything matching up for the initial release.

If anyone knows how I can get my hands on the CERO version outside of Japan (I don't want to do any Steam VPN stuff, ideally) I would be happy to give a go at finding the new address.

Alternatively, if someone with the CERO version has experience with finding memory pointers, I can hand off some information that would enable them to quickly find the new base addresses for CERO. From there, I would be happy to update the splitter to work with it.

@umedajapan - if you start your timer manually does it split for item pick ups? Alternatively, I just had an idea. Are you on discord?

Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to support the CERO versions as I don't have a copy of them.

Autosplitter has been updated to support the 2/15 update. You should receive the update upon restarting livesplit. Let me know if you have any issues with this update.

Yup, agreed. If we end up going this route, the default category is going to be the most active -- which at this time is 120.

Just want to bring this up one more time before we make any changes tonight. Any other concerns, please let us know.

Yes - although I wanted to wait until an update before calling vote on this (unlikely on a patch but still) and changing anything around.

I'm fine with cleaning up the rules to have a time set in stone. I was talking with the other moderators about cleaning up the actual rules (as well as their formatting) like 2 hours ago. This is something I'll probably tackle as we get closer to having things set in stone. Right now things are constantly being adjusted and clarified. I'm 100% for full definitions and cleaner formatting though.

@Jayzorblade If against all odds, Capcom did patch the knife, we would definitely have a community discussion as to what to do with the old runs. Personally, I'm for preserving them in some way - even if it's a sub-category on the extensions or something. Here's to hoping, but I doubt it, just based on the fact it seems so engine-level based.

@1TLAU we've clarified several times, twice in this thread alone that 2 minutes is fine. We have one person even pointing out that Roo's run in a very old game is allowed to pause - and then you seem to be against it entirely. I can accept that you don't like this ruling, but we have stated a max several times. We've never said "idk maybe less than 5min is fine" -- you're putting words in our mouths at this point. As for the rest of your complaints, and how you're claiming we're newbies, it doesn't seem like you have a huge run history in games on the PC platform where most of your complaints are norms in PC speedrunning. If the knife gets patched on Friday, it's going to be a discussion with the community if we allow downgrading. But I personally don't think that would be acceptable.

@mondomantra you're right in that the rules are not set in stone yet. That's part of the reason we're just allowing it all right now. I personally hope that the knife is nerfed on Friday. I don't think it will be, but I would be thrilled if they adjusted it.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with the argument about "top runners dictating" anything -- I think a lot of people play this game uncapped in general. Most of the complaints we got, when we initially segregated the boards by FPS, weren't even from top runners. I mean we did get complaints from top runners too, I won't lie, but even people not on the boards yet were complaining about being forced to play at over half the frame rate their GPU could push out.

120 was the number chosen for a few reasons. One of them being that most runners playing uncapped (variable/v-sync off) could get beyond 120 on average. Second, the damage multiplier (or whatever you really want to call it in this context) sees the most benefit once you start to hit 120. We wanted to limit it there to prevent it from getting any crazier than necessary.

Anyway, ideally I would much rather the knife be nerfed and then we move runs using the strat elsewhere to preserve them. I don't like what the knife has done to this game. I don't think it will be patched, but I really am keeping my fingers crossed.

@WitchRain Personally, I hate the knife in this game. I wish it would be patched to not be broken. It would resolve a lot of issues. It might invalidate some WR's and change routing, but that's the nature of running a game early.

That being said, I vouched for allowing it for the current state of the rules (which of course is going to change) just to make 120 fps more viable to more runners. There's a chance that all those runs are going to turn around and change in the future.

Is changing graphics mid-run ideal? No. But it was mostly allowed as an attempt to lower entry into 120 for the time being.

Hey guys,

First, thanks for the feedback on this. I'm going to mainly address SephJul's post in this, with some other points splashed in afterward.

FPS: 120 is also an option if the player has a monitor that supports it. I'm down for splitting things up in the future. We have always said that the current state of running it all together is not necessarily permanent. At the time, we felt it was best to just find a temporary middle ground that kept the leaderboards clean, and then branch the filters into different categories later if we felt this was best. Doing this, the FPS with the most runs would be the default display if we split things into official categories.

Resolution: T his is one thing I advocated for, because a ton of other speed games allow this at certain points. It might be new to some people in the Resident Evil series, but the mods allowed this in 7 to achieve higher frame rate due to the 1 hit Mia bug (works similar to the knife, more on that below).

OoB: This is a good idea, and I want to talk to the other moderators about their thoughts on this.

UC's leaderboards: yeah that's a mess. But it's more fair in the context of what you're talking about. I have several ideas for how we would do a split while trying to keep it clean. Maybe we can get a test board and try out various ideas -- if we went that route.

The moderators: This was actually addressed yesterday in this thread: https://www.speedrun.com/post/n2as1

To summarize, we had a moderator that launched a category with haste, and included a rule that most of the community did not agree with. This rule essentially killed the category for most runners interested in it. I agree, the community should give feedback on category suggestions and their rulings. It shouldn't be someone jumping in and deciding rules just because they think it's best. That's why I made that topic the big discussion of the day for the moderators yesterday, because clearly that setup wasn't working out.

A for the rest of what you said (regarding being "cocky during stream (vocal) or private chat") - I'm not really sure what to say about this. Two of our mods you want on your team are currently on the team. I've not witnessed anybody being cocky to anyone. I question if this is something lost in translation? I'll take your word for it that someone personally offended you though, and I apologize if that did happen.

Game audio: We have never flat out banned music from being in a stream. We have said that audio can not overpower game audio (to the point it becomes hard to detect game audio). There's several logical reasons for this, and it carried over from RE7's leaderboards. You can have music, the moderators just need to be able to hear all game audio at all times. From that point, it's up to the runner to take the risk of their audio being muted/VOD removed due to copyright.

Pausing: We've stated many times publicly that "a minute or two is fine" -- any further is grounds for rejection. Life happens. If you have an emergency and need to pause, that's fine. But no, we're not going to let you pause and watch WR, or pause and go grocery shopping (this actually happened in another game). One of you brought up Roo's pause for a minute for one game, which was fine, and another of you brought up a drastically different example as if against it entirely. This is an example of how we can't make everyone happy when it comes to this rule.

Hi all,

First off, the entire team would like to sincerely thank you all for your feedback. It’s extremely valued, and important. While we can’t always find a solution that makes everyone happy, we do care about what the community thinks, and pay attention whenever there is unhappiness with the rules and the state of a category.

While not always an easy job, we agree, the moderation role is that of a volunteer that’s meant to serve the community, and we take that seriously and with passion.

This topic was brought up today in the moderators discussion. For quite some time, at that. Everyone on the team got to voice their personal opinions on this, and while it wasn’t unanimous, we cast a vote. The result of this vote was 6 votes for allowing a gun for use of stair skating only and 2 votes for disallowing it. Of the two that voted for disallowing, one of the votes was for allowing it in the inventory (just not to skate) and the other was mostly in favor of boxing it all together.

Most of the moderation team is in favor of allowing a gun/skating. However, no shots may be fired. The result of a discharge from your gun would be grounds for your run being disqualified. This includes the croc, which the grenade must be used for instead (as stated currently in the rules).

This is not set in stone yet, as we would like to give the community one last chance to voice their opinion on this. If most people are okay with what's been suggested, we will move forward with revising the rules. At which time, we suggest anyone that’s had their run rejected due to the prior rules, to please resubmit. So please share any last thoughts you might have on this topic.

With all of that said, we would like to apologize to the community for any confusion or frustration this has caused. We are taking measures within the team to make sure this doesn’t happen again in the future. This includes gauging community interest on categories, as well as rule suggestions.

Speaking personally, I do not believe any game should ever be dictated completely by a subset of people, in terms of rules. Moderators are here to serve the community, and make sure runs follow agreed upon guidelines. Going forward, there will be a peer review process and all moderators will give their input, as well as get community feedback before a category is launched. As it should be. So please accept our apologies on this, and even more importantly, please let your final thoughts on this be known before the rules are revised.

If you have any questions or concerns about this, please don’t hesitate to post.

I threw out the idea of a "Starting Handgun Only" extension category. I would imagine upgrades would probably be allowed, but I think it would make for an interesting category and welcome thoughts?

Just gonna throw my opinion out there.

Not sure I 100% agree with banning a gun for stair skating purposes. Seems a little nitpicky, but if that's what the majority want, then I support that.

Second, this isn't the first time I've seen a run be rejected due to a rule that.... wasn't in the rules. Not trying to kick down whoever created this category. Mistakes happen. But I think before launching any new categories in general, there should be a peer review process. A moderator (or two) looks over the work of the super that setup the boards.

We can't operate successfully with someone solo modding the board setup, and then turning around and rejecting a run because they failed to add something to the rules. Once is a mistake, more than once it's a problem.

So going forward, it would be appreciated if someone that creates a category please ping some other mods to overview your work, please. We're a moderation team. Let us be a team and have your back on this sort of thing.

With that being said, we're in this for speed. Seems silly to me, personally, to ban a gun from being used for the sole purpose of exploiting the aiming animation like is done in every other run. Especially if said rule is pissing off the majority of people that would actually run it. That should kinda tip you off that this isn't a good idea, but I digress.

We were talking about what to do with category extensions the other day. I'll bring up your idea with knife only and see what other people think.

As far as the separation, again we're waiting a few weeks for that. It's not a 10 minute difference, by the way, compare Leon console to Leon PC and that's a more accurate comparison. If anything, comparing 60 to 120 on PC just shows that more serious people on PC aren't running 60 FPS.

Anyway, I'll get back to you on the knife suggestions.

To add what zgl has said... In addition, we'll be more mindful of this sort of oddity (that nobody on the team has witnessed before).

In the original context, we rejected it with the best intentions, and many of us were contacted elsewhere about this as well. It was much discussion (spaced out over the course of several hours) before we decided to pull it.

When I re-examined it later and noticed it no longer happened, I brought it up immediately with the other mods and it was then that zgl did further examination. I hope everyone is able to understand why we did what we did at the time, and that it was with best intentions.

With that said, I'd like to apologize to Pinpuro for the confusion.

----- Edit: I re-examined this later and we did more digging, please ignore the rest of this post and see ZGL's post below ----

======================================================================= Regarding this run in question: The mods have talked it over, and everyone active has agreed that there isn't any valid reason this should appear during a run.

I don't think this indicates the run is spliced, but there is not a valid reason for this to appear in the game in general. I was able to take screenshots of the timestamps mentioned, and it is indeed the title screen. Even having the video slowed down to 0.25 of the playback speed, it was hard to get a freeze frame of this, even spamming "K" on YouTube. It could be an innocent mistake in editing the VOD. But I have no idea how trimming time could cause this.

Regardless if it's a mistake or not, as a result of this, and to maintain integrity of the leaderboards runs, I have rejected the run located at https://www.speedrun.com/re2remake/run/yo2qrq7z

At time of writing, this makes OneCoolMan's 1h 00m 07s run the new world record.

With that said, this is very much a "blink and you miss it" sort of thing, so thank you very much to everyone that pointed this out.

At 16:47, Elliot has legs because this run is using a censored version of the game that's in Japan. Still in talks about the other thing you pointed out, by the way.

Thanks for pointing this out, I've sent this to other moderators for review and I'm going to personally watch this run start to finish, now.

That's odd. Where did you find this run -- was it on the leaderboards?