Hello speedrunners,

I saw how to add more games to the playstation classic console. Now, what happend next? Well, imagine if I run gran turismo 1 on it. You can, why not but this console don't include it in "legal" way, only if you mod it. Whats your opinion, is it allowed in speedrunning?

I figured out how hard (maybe impossible) is to don't think in the negative way... Like I'm person which see everything bad... For the first time, usually. Trying to see things better but not succesful yet.

Maybe... This question should be on the different forum, not on speedrun.com. But did you ever ask a question, if you are happy with yourself? I'm asking because I want to know, how many from us are not. It's quite frequent to don't be, which is the biggest mistake, that constantly make from our life one big nightmare.

So what about you guys? Are you?

I understood that emus are not allowed, they can't compare consoles... BUT can compare, if loading times will not count and that's why I suggested to change ILs with something interesting than duplicated Cyberscore boards... Ahh, my opinion guys, If Liv thinks it's ok, then it's ok. :)

Definitely, "Atami".

Seems like noone understood after all...

GT4, for example, is one of the biggest games on Ps2 and there is only Any%, nothing else. The "License runs" in GT2 wanted to remove Super Mod himself, thread here: https://www.speedrun.com/gt2/thread/xb10o (He also wanted to do it in every title but suddenly, he don't care about series yet)

I never said that I want to approve emulators, I wanted to split consoles and emulators. I don't see anything bad since I'm not alone who are interested. It's a joke to require original console from 90s to be listed on the boards. But okay, that's not the worse thing than the License runs in ILs... The game have tons of other events which should be added instead. I welcome any title from series that I can save by myself, especially GT2 or GT4.

Thanks.

I'm experiencing unusual issues with "Gran Turismo" series. Especially with the "Gran Turismo 2" title. Emulators are not allowed and aren't added as category, thread here: https://www.speedrun.com/gt2/thread/e3vph

Okay, I understood moderator's decision. Supermoderator already blocked me on Discord when I complain about this, thanks to Thebook92 community got feedback, why emus are not allowed (dont understand why the category wasn't added)

I post new thread, where I noticed my ideas, thread here: https://www.speedrun.com/gt2/thread/h0eom Community already said that IL boards (With "license runs") should be removed, because there are on cyberscore with better times (Here: https://www.cyberscore.me.uk/game/342 ). I also wrote it to the thread above. Moderator said: "We'll leave the ILs that are already there (since, you know, they're there), but we're not going to add any new categories."...... for unknown reasons, never responded back. Can you, PLEASE, leave the Gran turismo series on me? Check my profile, I keep the boards simply, clean, fair and for everyone. Gran turismo leaderboards are "blocked" and dead because of them. I have knowledge with this series, I'm playing GT2 over 12 years... Just want to bring leaderboards back to live, thats all :) .

Thanks.

I just wanted to let you know that PS Classic, comming in 3rd December will have this game. The console is added on this websites.

Well, you can patch the ISO file and then burn it, modded consoles are handle it. This is why I mentioned it.

When you start new game, you can just trade cars from second memory card BUT you are still in new game (Which can runners use if they're not know it's not allowed).

Yes, endurances and special events are there but as a group, not individual, I meant individual in IL boards.

About license runs, I missed they are in misc.

But one thing I dont understood: Why you want to leave license runs in ILs? Its a duplicate version of Cyberscore boards with slower times. I thought to find something unique which is not on Cyberscore, if you understand me :) .

Ahh, okay, last thread from me I swear....

I noticed a few things that are not fully described. This can avoid any problems to the future.

Today, I started using this: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/mod-gran-turismo-2-plus-bug-fixes-restored-content-and-new-content.378282/ Its a modification to the PAL version (later for all version), it restores hidden content, colours, textures, adding some upgrades to the vehicles which don't have in the base game. It also adds new prizes to the races. It's not hard to apply this mod to the game (And use it in console too), definitely can provide advantage in runs. Something like: "Additional patches and mods in game are NOT allowed." should be added in rules. Also good to mention, "Hybrid cars are NOT allowed" too. :)

Also, what about trading cars? Is it allowed? Because if you prepare some cars and store it in your second memory card, you can easily buy it using "Trade" option in menus (it's usually really cheap). This should be explained in rules too. :)

I also noticed that new license runs were added. N1nj4ofshr3d already got feedback from community about deleting them because Cyberscore have much more better runs, so it's pointless to have it here (since WRs here are much slower than Cyberscore WRs) Link is here: https://cyberscore.me.uk/game/342

Instead of IL of license runs, the misc category License Tests% sounds like good idea. TumeK5 also said something about "All Gold license tests", which sounds more crazy but why not? :)

And last thing, if IL will be empty, then individual "Special events" or "Endurances" can be added? Some races are limited by HP and some not so only the limited races are more interesting to see. The "free" are pointless to add because the Escudo will be the one vehicle to use (because of the power). So something like Win% for these events with prepared car and using IGT (without loads) are interesting to see or not? (Btw this meet requirements for emulators) :)

I want to say huge thanks to @thebook92 for his time and activity so far.

So emulators just can't compete console runners, but emulator users can compete each others? I always though that console is slower than emulation...

That sounds strange. At least me (I checked that) have same loading times like console players. FPS frameskip and FPS limiter can make these things right since FPS doing a lot in loading. I don't know when did you checked that or what versions did you tried but something force my emulator to have exact same loading times...

About that license runs, community voted for removing these runs because there are boards on cyberscore website. About that arcade mode, it can be used in IL like for example: Tahiti road - B class. The classes can be used instead of garage vehicles (and avoid escudo to be on every track).

@n1nj4ofshr3d , @DragoonClawNZ or @thebook92 should respond in these posts. The emulator rules are not the last thing what's missing in these leaderboards. I noticed that arcade mode is missing as well. Long time ago community voted for removing license runs from IL boards, then NOTHING happend in these boards. I don't know if someone really care about GT2, I'm sure n1nj4ofshr3d is the only one active moderator, which verifing runs so he should be verifer if he only verifing runs.

Soooo... emulators are fully banned (for unknown reason). Since there are not reasons and solutions to make them allowed, there are possible solutions.

1. Emulator rules It is known that emulators are not accurate enough so there should be rules, that makes emulators able to compete console players. One of the most used emulator is "ePSXe" so:

• Video plugin: ePSXe GPU Core 2.0.0
• Sound plugin: ePSXe SPU Core 2.0.0
• CDrom plugin: ePSXe CDR WNT/W2K core 2.0.0
• CPU overclocking: 1x
• GTE Hack NOT allowed
• CPU Mode: Dynarec
• FPS Limit: OFF
• Frame skipping: OFF
• Sound effects MUST be allowed (to avoid speed up emulation)
• Save states are NOT allowed
• Other modifications are NOT allowed

These settings make emulator compatible with console players as well. Other emulators needs settings too. Also there should be list of banned emulators.

2. Category for emulators Next solution is simple, just splitting console players from emulators. Personally I think the best place is "Misc" category because they are "hidden". The settings that I posted below must be used too.

3. Gran turismo 2 [Emulators only] Third (and last) solution is not the best but it can work. Submit GT2 again but for emulators only. Also, rules should be for each emulator to make things correct.

So these three solution proves that emulators can be allowed. GT1 have not allowed emulators too so these solutions can be used in GT1 as well. I think it will be best if all 3 moderators share his opinion. Disabled emulators is problem number one of dead boards :/ .

Have a good day.

Well, you don't find answer here since moderators are not active enough.

Just record it and submit, I set the right time :) EDIT: If you just record screen with mobile, you can use something to time it. Some people recording two monitors, one for game and one for "timesplit" (on PC). If you submit your gameplay, I will do the rest and make valid run :)

Definitely, "Puddle". Puzzle physics-based 2D game, shame that I'm alone...

SPOILER! Death of Sniper Wolf in Metal gear solid and Quiet exit in Metal Gear Solid V... Moments I'll never forget.