Save scumming is the name of the game, unless someone dares to try establishing a deathless no-saves run category.

https://strategywiki.org/wiki/The_Dungeon_Revealed/Walkthrough

https://web.archive.org/web/20150408141707/http://www.sidhia.com/shrine.html

Mini vMac Emulator: https://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/dnld_std.html

Classic Mac ROM: https://sites.google.com/site/minivmacapplicationsv6/disk-images-and-roms

Classic Mac OS: https://sites.google.com/site/minivmacapplicationsv6/systems-os

Mini vMac Disk Image with Dungeon of Doom: https://sites.google.com/site/minivmacapplicationsv6/games

The Dungeon of Doom: https://www.macintoshrepository.org/5469-the-dungeon-of-doom http://macintoshgarden.org/games/the-dungeon-of-doom

The Dungeon Revealed: https://www.macintoshrepository.org/5062-the-dungeon-revealed http://macintoshgarden.org/games/the-dungeon-revealed

@NoTeefy

You would also annoy a LOT of users who are living in countries with dynamic IP allocations like Germany (you automatically receive a new IP address every 24 hours).

I was trying to specifically avoid that problem by indicating that it would only apply when a new session was created from a new IP, not when an existing session changed IPs. If you are repeatedly logging out and back in, then yes, but that applies to all such options.

You'll end up with the same insecure scenario regarding bruteforced/leaked email accounts as it already was without it.

Possible in some cases, but that's far from a given. Email is the most valuable account that almost any users has, and is one of the most likely to be secure. Most major email providers provide some amount of additional security these days, particularly when they detect uncommon login patterns. Ratcheting up to the level of users' email security would be a solid improvement.

We don't need to let perfect be the enemy of the good, but it looks like the admins already have a good plan so I'll stop spamming this thread.

@PresJPolk They are not "phony", they provide different levels of security. If you have Google's threat model, where you need to actively defend against technologically sophisticated militarizes with billions of dollars to spend attacking you, then you certainly want to mandate a Yubikey or other tamper-resistant signature mechanism. The vandalism on Speedrun.com is about as far from that as you can get: zero-effort non-interactive password reuse. SMS hijacking may be relatively easy for a determined attacker, but even that is several levels above anything we've seen. Calling it a "phony" defense is unhelpfully reductionist.

(Not that I actually disagree about the backups/rollbacks -- that's definitely critical stuff. I just get nitpicky about broad security claims.)

If full 2FA is too much of a pain (requiring users to install a new application or give a phone number), an easier alternative might be requiring email confirmation the first time a moderator logs in (starts a new session) from a new IP. Not quite as secure, but perhaps sufficient.

For the record, I posted another set of bounties on Reddit in October 2018: https://old.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/9kcyv4/bounties_for_new_warcraft_2_world_records_10_150/e6y7q2b/ It was shared in the War2.ru community: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,4503.0.html Whose competitive multiplayer Warcraft 2 player "Szwagier" won most of the bounties (and most of our leaderboards): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYISKfVYixCjfKGv6oKkdovaw4IBEBxh2iImz3HTLcU/pub

I don't intend to post any more bounties for this game in the future.

IL rules specifically say "Timing is done through IGT".

A new escort map named "Rialto" has just been released.

Can it be added to the Level Leaderboard?

The time for the run https://www.speedrun.com/Overwatch/run/y6796x0m appears to have been typoed. The in-game time visible in the video, and included in its YouTube title, is 5:21. As a sanity-check, I measured its real time: 5:57.825.

However, the time listed here entered here was 3:21 (better than the theoretical best time).

EDIT: That's supposed to be "mis-timed", not "mix-timed".

Add it to speedrun.com, as a new category like game runs vs levels runs, just add a few minor options to help users experience the parts of the site they care about. For example, options to default to score or speed runs when clicking into a game (if it has both), options for what to include in their homepage feed and notifications, and options for what to display by default in their profile. Users who are only interested in speedrunning only need to see that part of the site, but everything is kept closely-integrated for when it makes sense.

I fear complexity as much as the next developer/designer, but hopefully this can serve these different use cases while remaining relatively simple.

more potential videos to sort through. many not labeled as speed runs, will need to check if they're worth considering. some might be incomplete or invalid or duplicate.

Cire2047: TOD: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLC960334B12409C7E

ResonantWill: TOD: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6DA45F961E24B3A9

AverageAvocado as WhatABash: TOD: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm5DuBIoS54B89M4RQFbNUvZv0HhOye3R BTDP: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLm5DuBIoS54ABPSXXBbfLnriQbHqFqd9O AverageAvocado as SoKoL: TOD Orc: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5b0fctdcCFMyFFMP8KHrBlh4lj1y6oQk TOD Human: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5b0fctdcCFN2J7hzVshQzYdhdyHBusrF BTDP Orc: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5b0fctdcCFNBE21S42pVshwj6Bh4adRE BTDP Human: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5b0fctdcCFMrfEc2a3oI_25cPHwmccxG

Misc runs: something xHuman 1: and xOrc1:

are these duplicate uploads of Texture3D's old old videos? https://www.youtube.com/user/changkhotn955/videos

ButcherT: https://www.youtube.com/user/Alphcarus/search?query=warcraft+2

Drewstor:

maybe not speedy: mikelat: azaryah: mr robadob: something: hmm: not sure: misc category: heh: another lets play: did he complete a level? check: heh: goldensaint: alexraz?:

I have been ignoring TAS runs because we don't have a category for them and there don't seem to be very many.

I'm going to add the following rules text for Tides of Darkness and Beyond the Dark Portal, based on these discussions and the set of runs we now have. Please let me know here or on Discord if you have any concerns and I'll be happy to discuss and make changes.

Runs are measured in real time from the last frame before the (first) level appears, to the first frame after the (last) victory message appears. For Individual Level runs, this defines an upper bound on the duration the player had control. For Full Game runs, this includes loading times between levels.

The "tigerlily" cheat code may be used to jump to a level to start an Individual Level run, but no cheat codes may be used during a run.

You are not allowed to save and reload during Individual Level runs, but you are allowed to save and reload during Full Game runs.

You may play at any speed, and you may change the game speed in the middle of a run.

Runs are measured in seconds, not milliseconds, because victory conditions seem to be checked less often than once per second, even on Fastest speed.

If Fog of War is disabled at any time during the run, the "Fog Disabled" option must be selected.

The repackaged PC Battle.net Edition client "War2Combat" is allowed.

This contest is now closed, and the leaderboards look so much better. ? Thanks to everybody who contributed runs.

@ZPR wins 200 USD for setting or tying the best time for every individual level! (We imported a few faster old level runs from @Stu, but those are excluded for the purpose of this contest.)

@RPGodfather wins 100 USD for setting our first single-segment full campaign run (50 USD), which included the first full human campaign run (25 USD), and for tying ZPR's ILs times for Orc 1, Orc 2, Orc 6, Human 1, and Human 2 (5 USD each).

Prizes will be sent sent within 14 days. (edit: They were sent on April 8th.)

(Note: in the case of ties in the future, prizes might only be awarded to the first person to set the tied score. Don't take this as a contrary precedent.)

Collecting links to potential existing speedrun videos that we could include:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvt9KhYEcgQteRAGcsluxUw/videos

We've been importing some old runs from YouTube and SDA. Ignore these imported runs for the purpose of this contest.

I've added "Fog of War" (Enabled/Disabled) as an optional field on all runs. It probably doesn't need to be a separate category at this point.

@ZPR observed that the game only seems to check objectives every ~2.6s. This suggests that including milliseconds would be silly, since all times would be fall on one of these intervals if timed correctly. Although this assumes the game is consistently played at maximum speed, which is apparently not always true.

Some other links:

• https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/warcraft_2_bne.html
• http://war2.ru/research/dq/index.html
• https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6DA45F961E24B3A9

Full-game runs are a pretty huge commitment for this game, so I don't expect anybody to run them. But IF you do, and set a new record that stands through the end of March (as above), that's awesome! So I'll add some small prizes for those too:

• 50 USD for Best Full Human
• 50 USD for Best Full Orc
• 25 USD for Best Full Both

Additional rules for full runs:

• Timed from the beginning of the first level to the end of the last level, including loading times.
• Unlike with IL, you ARE allowed to save/load games within the same run.

Please remember to ensure that fog of war is enabled.

I think Tides of Darkness could be a good game to speedrun, but there aren't many times up here now. It would be more fun with some targets and competition. To help get things rolling, I'd like to offer prizes to the best new verified IL (individual level) records posted for each level before the end of March. :-)

Prize scale:

• 5 USD each for the top new times in Orc 1-10 and Human 1-10.
• 10 USD each for the top new times in Orc 11-13 and Human 11-13.
• 20 USD each for the top new times in Orc 14 and Human 14.

So if you managed to set new record times for every level, and nobody could beat any of them before the end of March, you would be eligible for all 200 USD.

These must be new runs, recorded and posted after this thread and before the end of March 2018 (UTC), and they must be the top in their category (per the rules below).

There are currently no rules defined for the IL categories. However, for the purpose of these prizes I will apply the following rules:

• Fog of War must be enabled.
• Time is measured from the last frame before the level appears, to the first frame after the victory message appears.
• You're not allowed to save and reload in the middle of a level.
• The War2Combat client is allowed.
• If I get a record instead of you, nobody gets that prize. (But if we tie, it goes to you.)
• If nobody beats a previous record, nobody gets that prize.

Prizes will be delivered by PayPal.

Tips:

• Don't forget to set the game speed to fastest.
• You can enter the cheat/chat/debug code "tigerlily" to enable level jumping, and then just enter "orc 1", "human 12", etc., to jump to a level at any time. (I don't consider this is a cheat because it's just used to go to the level, and doesn't affect gameplay at all.)

Pardon if there's a different way I'm supposed to report these.

The run https://www.speedrun.com/Overwatch/run/y8qo1dny by @TheZombieMan16 is in the "PC" category, even though it's marked as being played on a PS4. It looks like a mis-click.