"Thanks for the response - I guess from my first paragraph what I was saying was it felt like guns that I had purchased were spawning more frequently than the 'useful' guns I wanted in a way that didn't feel random. If it's totally random then I guess it's just in my head." There is a mechanic in the game where you are more likely to get a gun/item that you just unlocked, but it only works for the first time of you finding said item/gun, once you find them once the odds become normal again.
"As for the level generations, that's quite interesting because it really felt like I didn't see any later generations until after I'd unlocked more characters/guns etc. Maybe it is luck, maybe I'm mis-remembering but it was over dozens of play throughs. I might wipe my save and start from scratch again just to document it and see if there's any evidence for it, by mapping out the generations I get." Good luck on that, will be interesting to see if you find anything interesting!
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in response to this: "After I went on a massive spree to unload lots of credits that I'd accumulated, the spawn frequency of the gungine seemed to be surprisingly lower, more I expected. I know it's obvious that the more guns I have, the less likely the gungine is to come up, but it went from being a 1/4 spawn to much less frequent, even though I only bought ~10-15 guns. Is this just in my head, or has anyone else observed this? Is there a way to manipulate gun spawns from rainbow boxes?"
Yes, you are more likely to get certain weapons you have unlocked when you have less weapons unlocked in general, since the game chooses from a smaller pool of drops, you can technically utilize it in speedruns but most people just run on full save files because there's also a ton of endgame weapons that only get unlocked later into the shop pools (so you end up having to unlock a lot of garbage before them).
To clarify on this: "Additionally, I noticed that after I achieved certain milestones, specific level layouts started appearing. For example, in some of the docs that Spleen put together, the later generations of levels never appeared when I play with the initial bare-bones version. When I unlocked characters and did the secret levels, I started getting the later generations outlined in Spleen's guide."
I do not believe unlocks and game progress have to do absolutely anything with the kind of generation blueprints you end up getting, it's all purely rng, a lot of the time you can get one generation several times in a row, while others you get different ones in a sequence. I would just say you probably got lucky (or unlucky) that you got only certain generations. However this wasn't ever researched so I don't have a concrete answer, although you just being lucky is very plausible.
"Is this something that people manipulate to make speedruns better?" - No "Is it better to have a more limited set of achievements and guns unlocked to get less variation on level generations and gun spawns?" - As explained earlier, you kind of have to go through some crappy unlocks to get a lot of better ones, so its not necessarily better or worse. "Or does everybody generally use the same save state with everything unlocked." - Most people just speedrun on the 100% save file that also has 50k+ hegemony credits for rainbow/blessing/boss rush resets. "Is this something that has been discussed before?" - Yes, if you're wondering whether you have to run on the 100% file, then no, its up to you.
To always have hegemony credits to do speedruns that spend them, you can install (and reinstall when you run out) the speedrunning save file that's on the resources page of this leaderboard, the save file has 50k hegemony credits so it will last a long while before you'd have to reinstall it again.
Yes increase speed outside of combat is allowed and advised to be used
Four years after the initial release of the game and after many staff changes on this leaderboard, I decided to finally make a discord server dedicated to speedrunning Nuclear Throne, for the most part it's going to stay rather inactive and won't have many people (because it's new and the game isn't as popular anymore) but I made it just so those few people who might want to join the server and ask for help or advice on their speedruns could do so. If you need advice or have a question about the speedrun, Wonderis_#3151 will always respond to you on the server when he is online.
This is the invite to the server > https://discord.gg/TNuafre <, alternatively, you could press the "Discord" button on the left side of the leaderboard.
This server is dedicated to Speedrunning Discussion of the game, for casual play and other offtopic discussions, you can join the official Nuclear Throne server over at this link: https://discord.gg/NT
Yes, you can go to the resourceful rat on chamber 3 if you want, but it's slower than just clearing floor 3 and floor 4 in 90% of the cases imo, the chance of actually saving time by going that route is very slim, but it is allowed if you want to. (sorry for the late response)
We're more than likely not going to add this kind of a category to our leaderboard considering how time consuming and unfun in reality it is, most people already don't like the longer categories so a category like this would only have maybe a single run by someone who would actually spend and most importantly have enough time to do that kind of a run. The amount of rng involved is also far too big, your time estimates aren't far from truth but anything can go wrong and you can just get completely screwed over the rng unlocks (I.e you might not get confirmed for a long time to unlock yellow chamber, you might not get shadow magicians for a long time to unlock cursed bullets and A LOT of other super rng based unlocks) that would make this kind of a run in some cases impossibly long, even far longer than the estimate you have put out. I'm personally against it because of how long, unpopular and in some cases impossible it is. At most we might add an all-floors category in the future for full clear runs but not unlock based categories.
Recenty in 2.1.8 the developers have added a feature that now shows milliseconds at the win screen, however we decided to not end up utilizing it on our leaderboards. Because of the roguelike and rng nature of this game we will continue running under full seconds and the only category which will utilize milliseconds for submission will remain the Tutorial single level categories.
The boss rush category has officially been removed from major categories and now resides in Level Leaderboards.
This was done for the following leaderboard overhaul changes we're going to be doing in the future.
Check the rules in the tutorial category, it has a link to a guide explaining it.
UPDATE: The tutorial category has been added in the "Level Leaderboard", check the leaderboard and especially the rules for it. Milliseconds on the timer are required and the time for submission is the time shown at one of the last frames on the in game timer when you leave the tutorial.
Important Announcement Regarding The Leaderboard: Our leaderboard will soon be changing the way how it handles subcategories and potentially submissions.
As some of you may already know, the leaderboard has gotten relatively messy over the time because of my lack of knowledge on how to edit it, which caused the leaderboard's subcategories to to be made on one single variable, but we are soon going to change it.
Instead of having all of the subcategories (i.e turbo any% and turbo any% blessed etc) be under a single variable, we are going to be changing it into a multi-variable leaderboard where the subcategories act like "filters".
You will be able to choose whether it's an any% or hell% run, whether its done on normal or turbo speed and finally on which mode it was done (classic - no modes, rainbow, blessed).
4-6-8 Character leaderboards might also be united into a single Multicharacter major category which would work like what I explained earlier but there would be an extra variable where you could choose if its a 4, 6 or 8 character run.
This will allow us to make the leaderboard far less confusing and better to look at, as well as allow us to add different gamemodes to other categories we weren't able to before.
Somewhere in this Month we are going to be making entirely new Major Categories into which we will slowly start moving runs from the main categories to, which will take a while. You will still be able to submit to the old categories and your runs will be moved too.
We also want to hear opinion's of actual Runners to know about how would you feel if only your PBs would be moved and not the obsoleted runs (obsoleted times will be lost as the category will be then deleted) so please Join the gungeon speedrunning discord and give us your thoughts: https://discord.gg/aCTnpJy
P.S - special thanks to the RE2 super mod maxylobes for helping with explaining how to edit the board.
We are probably going to be adding single-level leaderboards a bit later, right now we are planning to do a different overhaul of the leaderboard so it looks better and after that we might add those (including the tutorial leaderboard, however that one will probably get too optimized too fast)
If you get that specific corridor setup then its cool and a free slight time save, otherwise it just doesnt matter, you shouldnt aim for them specifically.
This isn't really a new speedtech, it's just a "bug" in the game, when you have specifically those downwards boss entrances it just doesnt play the animation, I've also only seen this kind of an entrance in boss rush. It's basically a free 1 or so second save on a boss rush run if you get lucky with it.
I have already edited the run and changed it to rainbow mode, for future reference, you can edit your own submitted runs when you open them and press the three dots as in this screenshot if you ever made a submission typo.
Update on the situation: We might soon be doing a major overhaul on the leaderboard altogether so coop will get all of the modes, just have to wait for now.
Having more categories mostly just clutters the leaderboard and often makes it more confusing and ugly, this has been an issue for a while now. I will bring up the question of rainbow coop among the moderators and we might add it. However the hell% subcategories may be removed from the coop leaderboards as they've never been ran and coop is mostly just an extra category to begin with.
- We're most likely never adding an all-zones category because it would be heavily underran, stuff like custom community based google-docs leaderboard might be made though.
- Pausing is allowed because it stops the in-game timer. Technically you can even look at mapping guides during that time so yes its fine.
- More categories to coop probably wouldn't be added because there are barely any people who want to run coop because of how bad it is in gungeon, frankly I've even considered bringing up discussion on deleting the category altogether but it makes sense for it to stay, rainbow mode for 4-8char might be added in the future but not sure on how to implement it yet with the leaderboard not looking horrible in the end.
