A-1 is the sole reason for why I can't do letter world runs, cause these flipping koopas on the stairs are an annoyance. How do you get past the stairs without getting low height, and how would you even slow down and not bop the koopa and fall?? I literally have to resort to slowly hitting the vine to despawn one of them but that's just horrible.

Probably watch Kosmic or who ever else runs this to learn what to do? Hitting the vine block is part of the set up for flag despawn.

That doesn't really address your issue though. It really is a pain in the butt I have no idea how to do it consistently.

Just trial and error and even then I often restart until I get the good bounce. More often than not, You can bounce to the platform.

However, Some times it seems impossible and you have to go under the platform. There may be a way to tell which bounce you are going to get but I haven't understood that aspect of the despawn set up.

If you would like, I can try and explain the flag despawn set up.

Using the koopa on the start screen, Time it so you start on rule 13, This is more to affect A-3 another flag despawn, I believe.

Fastest way to vine block is wall jump, Kosmic I believe uses a full jump ( off WJP ) to get the set up. I don't and still get the set up, May be a few frames faster. Trial and error again you will learn to recognize the hammer bro patterns that work. For the bros go middle route.

After this on the pyramid like structure there is an option to manipulate the next set of bros. Either down +R or just down seems to work? There are ways to do the wall jump so you do not need this. Those are recommended. If you feel the need to do this, it's on the last stair type block on the right. Trial and error again.

Next, on the second set of bros. You again learn the patterns that work. You must bop the bro(s) to the right. Only the bro(s) that are on the middle platform. Now there will only be 2 koopas if you have the set up. Bonk the second koopa. This will despawn the spring.

From where the spring should be, Bonk and kick the koopa under the coin block to the left.

Finally the stairs. Here coin toss comes into play? Again trial and error.

I was fooling around with this level there is a FR save over WR. A good fast accel would make it easier but can be done without. Backwards wall jump on vine block platform.

And on that bombshell, Learning a method for backwards wall jump with no accel that gets the set up. Is probably a good idea, Some times going under the platform is too slow. With backwards wall jump, it isn't. I haven't really tried it but it is probably just as easy.

yo thanks! I got the flag despawn with saves because bros and stuff, but either way it still worked! However, i still can't get the stair koopas to work. If it is cointoss, then that'd be annoying and i'd probably try to find a visual cue for a jump for good stomp height, if there already isn't one.

I think it's either the bounce off the koopa on vine block platform or the second set of bros pattern, That can be used to determine the bounce. Also hitting the poison mushroom before second set bros. Has some effect?

I usually can make bounce work, When I first started I mostly went for under the platform. With the slightly faster wall jump it is typically fast enough. Backwards wall jump would be even faster.

Better to go top route, I find releasing R on the jump to the middle koopa then pressing when I hit helps? Just kind of superstitious inputs, Still miss it plenty.

ight so i found a good visual cue with the stairs to land basically first pixel of platform where you just jump at when the right half of mario is off of the floor (a frame late kills you) full jump btw. And i'm just super consistent at it, so it works. I am pretty confident in getting it now, thanks alot about that.