02:37:34 Why do you not admit the smuggler there? If it's a bomber it saves you an entire day worth of time

@Sandmanfan the link is down for the image :(

My main argument is that runs are extremely short, sometimes even 30 seconds, because they don't enter the location at all. Having no bodies be discovered means players need to find a way in, meaning more sneaking around, objects beyond a muffin and a silenced pistol being used like lockpicks and crowbars. And most importantly, mission story interactions. Imagine the creativity of runners when they find a route where you complete part of a mission story for one target, simultaneously killing another on the route.

Fiberwire is a pretty dull category, considering it requires you to do tedious maneuvers to seperate the target, like distracting the bodyguard with pushing, then it's a melee attack which means always dragging the body, instead of being able to mix it up with a sniper shot, an explosion, and a knife attack which is way more fun for stream/GDQ than a fiberwire.

With freedom of all weapons, imagine explosives, snipers concussives, to yeet the target into a bush or out a window, irrespective of the general limitations like ONLY explosives, ONLY snipers, ONLY suit, silent assassin, which is so specific most players aren't going to want to run it. This category would not require SA/SO by default.

I have a bunch of friends who'd love to run a category like this, we all find the main category too competitive, short, short in creativity, and very prone to small mistakes like throwing a coin 1 pixel too far to the left requiring a restart. Not to mention 45 second runs don't make for great GDQ/stream content.

If you can't find my reasoning sufficient to add this category, we'd be forced to create our own leaderboards, not sure if we can add it on this same website, or on another, but I'm confident more members would join us.

I have been speedrunning Hitman's trilogy for a while now, playing silent assassin master mode, and I felt like submitting my runs to a leaderboard, but then when watching runs I found that that the top runners play the game very differently than me.

I don't like that most speedruns are about sniping specific locations, especially triggering falling objects and accidental kills. I believe a category where you have to kill the target in a way that either conceals their body when exploding them a certain way can still be fun, or mostly, hiding the body in a location as fast as possible, and this will breathe new life in a game that I was already running, but not in the way most people have been submitting.

In Hitman's challenge mode "no bodies discovered" is a common challenge, even more common than "suit only". Suit only does not change gameplay in a major way since distracting guards with specific shots works just as well most of the time, and you can often snipe these accidental deaths from miles away.

We also like the flavor. If a body is discovered, especially if there's 2 targets who are killed with something falling on their head in the span of 10 seconds, I would call 911 and they would figure out a bullet hit the cables. They could block off escape routes immediately. Preventing the body('s) from being found makes you believe they would only find it hours later.

Congrats on the WR!

Congrats on the WR!

Great run!

This is my favorite level to run in Extreme difficulty, have you ever tried as such on this level?

I have a 5000 Ryzen series and 30-series graphics card, but this game just can't be ran..

Any turbo programs are not allowed. You can still rebind buttons using external programs as you wish, as long as the 1 to 1 rule is followed, each 1 button has to be remapped to another 1 button.

You can bind buttons to your mouse scroll-wheel for example, to rapidly skip through textboxes.

Thread locked. Please submit your Act 1 Runs to the leaderboards under the new Category.

Feel free to upload a run of Act 1, or even Act 2 and/or 3. Post the link to it here, and we'll add it as a category!

Have you tried turning V-sync on?

Thank you for unlocking this topic. I agree that this matter cannot be solved in the Discord server as nobody there is really getting into the conversation I have tried to start a couple of times. Despite this I have read the complaints. The biggest one is that only 2 people were actually running this category. That has now changed with the new methods found and it'll only be a short while until this category is optimized enough that it'll be as popular as VC SSU, maybe even more popular. So whatever reasons the VC mod team had to put SSU in front of regular any%, that reason should still hold up in this decisions. Despite this, I have decided to make a little strawpoll:

https://www.strawpoll.me/18835373

I want to suggest putting the AJS runs before the Any% (No AJS) on the leaderboards.

1. Vice City speedrun page has the same thing. SSU before Non-SSU and still has just as active a non-SSU category even though SSU is run a lot less these days and still extremely difficult.

2. It is currently gathering a lot of media attention, and people looking for the records are mostly interested in these runs at present time. If they want to see times outside this category, it's still one click away.

3. These runs are currently being run more than the regular any%, so for the time being that's what people might be running the most and what they want to look up the most, and the change I'm suggesting here can be reverted at a time that is deemed appropriate.

The timer shown at the end of a level is the timer we use, but if there is a tie it's preferred to add a real life timer as well so the milliseconds can be compared.

@ROMaster2 This is not working out. Please restore the Populous the Beginning site back to how it was before I went on vacation. It was going just fine and everything was clear to all the runners. GodlyJagex has only been showing hostility against me, blaming me for his attempt to "overthrow" me. The only thing I ask of moderators on poptb is communication. GodlyJagex has proven he is a "solo warrior", unwilling to communicate any changes with the entire community. If I want to make changes I make forum posts, asking people, but he added an entire expansion (which is supposed to be a different game sub-speedrun site on its own), plus he changed names and rules of categories to his own rules, again without asking anyone. I know a few moderators passionate about starting to run this game, and I can even get someone on board this week. He is very quick to respond to emails and has experience running forums and suggestion threads, like me. I'd prefer him as a moderator instead of GodlyJagex.

I was on a 2 week vacation, back to being active, but now there is an unapproved moderator on this speedrun sub-site: http://www.speedrun.com/poptb

I was only inactive for 2 weeks, and the requirement is 3 weeks for a moderator to be added. I request GodlyJagex to be removed so I can hold a proper application for any mods, and make sure to get in personal contact instead of them going off on their own and changing everything for the worse. I also have some personal contacts I have planned for the moderation team and planned to add them and get everything running from there.

Thanks in advance!

EDIT to your reply on the poptb forums (posted here for clarification to any other moderators on this thread):

The official rule is 3 weeks, I was only gone for 2 weeks plus some days. If I knew the limit was less than 3 weeks I would have contacted one of my friends to replace me for that time, but since the rules are clear I did not worry about that, since the amount of submissions is usually really low. I usually only login once a week since there are very few runs, but sometimes the amount of runs pick up so I log in more often. Since he was appointed before the 3 weeks passed it is against policy that he gets added without my permission. I would not comment here if I could resolve this with him personally, since you appointed a random person I do not know him and he will certainly disagree now he got the powers to ruin everything I was building. It is already obvious from his actions he is not willing to communicate and thus is why I didn't appoint him myself and never will. I trust a few other runners here way more.

I was available on social media during my vacation on brief Wi-Fi occasion (I was outside of Europe). My social media are listed in my profile. If he had any intention of cooperating with me he would have contacted me there to either become moderator or to add several levels from an expansion pack to the game, which I explicitly already made a statement on that it is not permitted by me in a previous forum post, but he did anyway.

I encourage anyone to try a full game run and take that number one spot.

I will look into it, although it seems that would need to be a separate page, as expansions are listed like that on this site. I recommend having runs ready, as if and when that new page opens, you can submit them.

I've become efficient at doing the Diamond heist solo, in overkill 145+ and that would be a nice category to speedrun. Apart from the RNG vault the heist is not on a timer.