Real time could still be a option

I'll DM you the link to the server ChrispyBoi.

After the part games idea I thought about this thread again. Not a big fan of any of your ideas, but here is mine

Ghost mode

Beat the Staff Ghost in all missions (Alpine Skiing, Speed Skating, Bobsleigh, Skeleton and Luge) in one run/sitting. Maybe limit to using only one character you have to use for all missions.

We can time this 2 ways.

Real time, which I am not the biggest fan of (because the differences are often very small)

Or counting the times you got in the individual events together.

What do you think about this idea?

For Bingo we can look at the multiple bingos though. We can make:

1 bingo, choosing which kind of events you play 2 bingo, choosing which kind of events you play 3 bingo, choosing which kind of events you play And we can decide if handicaps are allowed or not

Wild card, handicaps allowed, choosing which kind of event you play

For Lucky Spin handicap doesn't make a difference since it only gives points. But this can lead to 'lose strats'. I think it would be funny to lose events to get through the turns as quick as possible and those 100 points can work as a buffer.

Lucky Spin 3 turn, choosing which kind of event you play handicaps allowed Lucky Spin 4 turn, choosing which kind of event you play handicaps allowed Lucky Spin 5 turn, choosing which kind of event you play handicaps allowed

I think that sounds pretty ok. Maybe Bingo Bash not at all but that would look weird too since the other party games will have a board. Wild Card might be boring too, but it isn't as bad as bingo 1 bingo

I agree. Then we have Wild Card. I think allowing ha handicaps is the best? There is a very big chance you only play play one event then but without handicaps it's still the same idea.

0 open you only know your 4 and 1 from someone else (who lost the event) and nobody has 4 of the same (I think we can also rule out 3 since that never happened to me but could be RNG)

2 open you know 6/12 + 1 from someone else (who lost te event) so their whole hand and nobody has 4 of the same

The differences between knowing 5/18 or 11/18 is huge, but practical not that much.

Let's say we have 2 of the same card, the opponent that loses reveals that card so we grab that one

Then we have 11 cards, one of which is the one we need to make 4 of kind.

I think a 9% is big enough to that people will get it, and nu nog allowing handicaps you only make the run 11× longer to practise.

Can't acces the picture but that seems to be the best possible. Got 4 stamped ones in a row and get the character/star first roll. Sounds not fun imo, it's just rerolling bingo cards and bingo Rolls over and over

And with bingo Bash I had a card with handicaps where you only needed Amy and a event.

Or a card like this

I would say that Lucky Spin 100% should be allowed because you need to play 3 events anyway.

Bingo Bash will be (with handicaps) getting the 2 right 'person symbols' Wild Card will be playing the fastest event Lucky Spin will be playing the 3 fastest events

I would love some catogorys using non speed events or combining events but party mode with handicaps doesn't make this game 'better', only more boards.

Without handicaps Lucky Spin doesn't change Wild Card will just be RNG to get a 4 of a kind first

And Bingo Bash will be the long drag it ever was

That's what I think too.

Also for Wild Card, if we allow handicaps, this can happen making a 1 turn fout of a kind and you are done after 1 event

But without handicaps it can also happen but pure RNG. I think allowing handicaps is better, but would make it really lame to run

I've been thinking about this earlier, but the party games are very slow and mostly RNG. But after checking again I like the Idea! But we need to make catogorys for every kind of tule these could be a lot:

Bingo Bash 1 Bingo all events Bingo Bash 1 Bingo only olympics Bingo Bash 1 Bingo only dream Bingo Bash 2 Bingo all events Bingo bash 2 Bingo only olympics Bingo Bash 2 Bingo only dream Bingo Bash 3 Bingo all events Bingo Bash 3 Bingo only olympics Bingo Bash 3 Bingo only dream

So maybe just 1/2/3 bingo and the player can decide if they want only dream, olympics or all?

Lucky Spin 3/4/5 turns and all event/only olympics/only dreams again

Wild Card 5/7/10 and all event/only olympics/only dreams again

Or just the least amount of bingos/turns?

And we have handicaps too

Here are my thoughts on the party games:

For Bingo Bash: The only strat would be choosing between sometimes losing a event so you don't have to sit it out, of winning for the stamp. And sometimes wheather you wasn't to keep stopping the Rolling Balls and Big Bullet Bill . Not a big fan of this one

For Lucky Spin: Ok so here there is it more strat because you 'choose' which even you play. There are some tricks here like skipping the opponent countdown. Honestly would like this one. You have a amount of turns, need to choose between RNG/a fast event (maybe they are in a set way, I could do some research on that). There is some RNG bullshit, but it sounds fun.

For Wild Card: This one is RNG heavier again and slower but still fine? We already have the mini-game catogory that's mostly RNG. But this is

Did some more testing this makes

✅ Against Shadow removes item RNG for Ski Cross Racing ✅ Against Vector removes opponent RNG for Shorttrack ❓Eggman and Bowser might be faster for Extreme Snowboarding, would like confirmation from someone else. 2 opponents instead of 3 sounds like less items on you, but the 2 opponents are good ❌ Intense Short Track against Omega helps minimal, if not it's worse. Starting will always give problem in this event and don't think 'button RNG' is worth diving in to. You can just as good use the normal event ❌ Blazing Bobsleigh against Big Bullet Bill or Bowser and Eggman isn't better

❌For the starting with red nose forward mission for Blazing Bobsleigh, it doesn't save any time and you can't ever rotate in the run. So at the best, it's even fast but thete is absolutely no reason to do it. The turning animation is still there are and after timing takes as much time as turning directly

Also asked Kieron about this since he seems to be the most active mod

And since Cross Country and Biathlon use your opponent for a speed boost I don't think Luigi or Knuckles is better. Maybe if you are a beginner and want to practise without opponent on the track they are worth it, but not for the best time

Only less RNG heavier for all events except Blazing Bobsleigh

Seems like Bobsleigh is the only event where a normal mission (not rival) may save time

I've made this now https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZbfL4g3zZdCPi-HyUowHx9p-o0ZWJ_mCQHQ0yAlQ-4A/edit?usp=drivesdk but it are just some notes I witte down.

Conclusion:

By doing Ski Cross Racing against Shadow you have less RNG because less opponents = less items that can be thrown on your

Blazing Bobsleigh there are some weird things going on I need to time. You can play vs Big Bullet Bill or Bowser and Dr. Eggman which may be better for the start (will look in to that later today), but there is also a mission where you start with the red nose forward. This means you don't have to rotste, but don't know how much time it will save

By doing Short Track against Vector the track is less cluttered by opponents, though Vector can still give some trouble. I think Vector is better than 3 opponents, but there still is a good part of RNG because Vector is a pretty good opponent

By doing Intense Short Track against Omega there are less opponents on the track and since he is pretty good you probably won't see him on the third lap again. Also less chance the last iceblocks will be broken. Start is still hard because he is so big

You can do Extreme Snowboarding against Bowser and Dr. Eggman. This is a pain because it's the third event in their Boss battle. It also only removed one opponent and Dr. Eggman and Bowser are pretty good so I think you are better of stockings with the regular event

You can do Snowboarding against Wario and Waluigi. This means 1 less opponent on the track but that doesn't help much, if at all

Sadly no mission saves you time, but there some points it might be faster. Btw, is with the red nose forward faster I Dream Bobsleigh? Because there is a mission where you start with the red nose forward

I am now looking in Shorttrack and Snowboard Cross (and their Dream Version) but I think less opponents make normal Shorttrack eassier and maybe Dream too. I have no idea how both Snowboard Cross are done in speedruns so have to practise them first

Besides those, missions save time on Ski Cross Racing (against Shadow) and maybe on Blazing Bobsleigh but need to test that first (2 times. Against Big Bullet Bill and where you start with red nose forward). On other events it make no differnce or is worse. When I am fine I will post a document here with all mission that make the mission different (and so your time) that end when you cross the finish line/end the event and if they are better or worse

I think most are easy, some bosses (that will be mostly used for this) are medium I think. Can look in to it tomorrow. Which events make use of a opponent beside Cross Country/Biathlon?

I've asked this on the Discord before but are missions allowed for times in individual events? Obviously only mission that save your time on your file and have a replay should be allowed. I think it would makes Snowboard Cross and some other event less 'opponent RNG' this way. Maybe need to ban Cross Country, think there is one that let you benefit with a start boost (and saves your time).