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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Updated rules are being implemented starting today. This is mostly to clear up any ambiguity that existed in the rules. The biggest changes are: • Team mode is not allowed • Mirror mode can be played an alternative to 150cc (they share the same leaderboard)

##FAQs My disc drive broke/I lost my disc/I don't own the game, are ISO/USB/SD card loaders allowed? No. The load times are faster than disc. ISO loaders may be allowed after the switch to IGT, but that is to be discussed after the switch.

Is emulator allowed? No. The load times are faster than disc. Emulator may be allowed after the switch to IGT, but that is to be discussed after the switch.

Are splits required? No. Only video is required when faster than the video requirement time.

What are the item category equivalents in PAL English? Recommended = Balanced; Basic = Strategic

If you use different language, use the order in this screenshot to find the correct item setting for your language: https://i.imgur.com/GVgtzGD.png

When will the leaderboards switch to in-game time? When all the video recorded runs' in-game time are logged. There are currently less than 100 32-track runs left.

Can I submit the beginning of my 32 Track run as a Nitro track run? Yes! As long as the run starts from the course select screen, you can submit any sub-segment of a run. Example: A 32 Track run started on Luigi's Circuit also contains a valid Nitro Tracks and Mushroom Cup run within it.

Feel free to ask any new questions in this thread.

Here are the rules for easy reference:

##Category Rules/Timing • Complete all 4/16/32 tracks in any order. • RTA timing begins when "OK" is selected from the course selection screen. • RTA timing ends on when you hit the finish line of the last course. • In-game time is calculated by summing each course's time as displayed on the in-game timer after crossing the finish line. Use this tool to calculate IGT easily. • RTA time is required in your submission (don't include milliseconds with RTA). In-game time is appreciated (milliseconds is required).

##Platform Rules • Wii and WiiU loaded from a game disc are allowed. • Emulator (Dolphin) is banned. • SD card/USB ISO loaders are banned. • CTGP is allowed with these settings. (GameCube controller patch on WiiU is banned) • No Ocarina/Gecko/Action Replay codes (obviously).

##Video Requirements • Video proof is required if your RTA time is equal to or faster than specified here. • Your in-game timer should be in frame and readable

##FAQs Learn and ask new questions about the rules in this thread.

##Skip/No Skip Rules • Skips are/are not allowed • List of skips found here

##In-game settings • VS Mode • Solo Mode • Class: 150cc/Mirror • CPU: Hard • Items: Balanced/Strategic/None

Francesco 喜欢这个
Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

You can using the edit button

Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Team is currently allowed due to lack of detailed rules. I wrote that post to see if people actually want it allowed or not. You can respond to the main thread with your opinion.

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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Considering just adding mirror mode as an alternative to 150cc, not a separate category. See here: https://www.speedrun.com/mkw/thread/j28bd/1#s9ryu

Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

There's a few of these gray areas where the rules weren't specific enough when they were last revised. One of them is team mode, the other is using Grand Prix in the cup categories. I've also seen people set CPU bikes/karts, though I'm not sure the impact of that since CPU ability could be preferred either way due to sandbagging.

I've been keeping track of the team mode runs submitted, and I think I remember who submitted a GP run. I verified them because they're technically not against the rules.

I ended up writing a big post here: https://www.speedrun.com/mkw/thread/j28bd/1#s9ryu Let me know what you think there.

The rules will change slightly on these leaderboards due to IGT being a thing here already.

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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Continued from here for more visibility.

Since the last ruleset revision, there has been some room for interpretation on some settings for runs. The current rules regarding in-game actions (besides items/track count) are as follows:

"Run begins when "OK" is selected; ends when you hit the finish line of the last course. 150cc, Hard COM. [ISOs are banned]"

There are 4 current settings we don't acknowledge in the current rules: VS Mode/Grand Prix, Team/Solo mode, 150cc/Mirror, CPU Vehicles, Course Order, Course Count.

We don't need to enforce Course Order or Course Count because if you're just straight up slow if you go to the menu mid-run, and order doesn't matter.

Otherwise, here are the concerns with the remaining settings:

  1. VS Mode/Grand Prix: There are individual cup runs submitted done on Grand Prix. The 150cc/Hard CPU rules were originally written to simulate the settings of Grand Prix mode, although I've never seen proof that 150cc Grand Prix mode actually uses the same Hard CPU AI as VS Mode. I think the only other difference is that Grand Prix shows your time on the course finish leaderboard.

  2. Team/Solo Mode: I've only seen runs lately get submitted in Team mode, which is why this was brought up in the first place. Obviously you only get hit by half the items, and there's likely some other team mode trivia that I'm unaware of, so enlighten me in the replies.

  3. 150cc/Mirror: The Mario Kart 8 Deluxe leaderboards allow mirror mode. Technically, it's no different from 150cc, so I don't see why it even needs to be a separate category. Yeah it's maybe harder, but it's the exact same execution...just mirrored.

  4. CPU Vehicles: I think I've seen a few runs submitted with Karts only maybe? CPU impact on runs varies, so I'm not really sure what to enforce here. There may be benefits to both Karts only and Bikes only depending on the tracks. Again, let me know your opinion.

My goal is to make the rules more specific to keep new runs in line with the rules past runs used, but also leave some options open for experimentation.

What I'm thinking at the moment is the following:

##Category Rules/Timing • Complete all 4/16/32 tracks in any order. • RTA timing begins when "OK" is selected from the course selection screen. • RTA timing ends on when you hit the finish line of the last course. • In-game time is calculated by summing each course's time as displayed on the in-game timer after crossing the finish line. Use this tool to calculate IGT easily. • RTA time is required in your submission (don't include milliseconds with RTA). In-game time is appreciated (milliseconds is required).

##Platform Rules • Wii and WiiU loaded from a game disc are allowed. • Emulator (Dolphin) is banned. • SD card/USB ISO loaders are banned. • CTGP is allowed with these settings. (GameCube controller patch on WiiU is banned) • No Ocarina/Gecko/Action Replay codes (obviously).

##Video Requirements • Video proof is required if your RTA time is equal to or faster than specified here. • Your in-game timer should be in frame and readable

##FAQs Read and ask rules questions in this thread.

##Skip/No Skip Rules • Skips are/are not allowed • List of skips found here

##In-game settings • VS Mode • Solo Mode • Class: 150cc/Mirror • CPU: Hard • Items: Balanced/Strategic/None

1, mariorules64, Francesco 喜欢这个
Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

The way it's worked out is the CTGP leaderboard seems more fit for custom track-based categories, while this covers odd categories for the vanilla 32 tracks.

Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

There's a leaderboard on the category extensions page to be ready for when 200cc comes out officially for CTGP.

Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Because the video requirement is 8:00:00 or shorter. Thanks for admitting, and don't submit any more runs please.

Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

There is a version number variable required on each submission. Equal version numbers obsolete each other, different ones do not.

So if you do a Brick Block Cup run done on 1.03.1064, another run done on 1.03.1066 will also appear on the leaderboard. You can then filter by version to see what WR was for a specific version.

This is the best solution that doesn't involve hundreds of variables or subcategories for each cup update version.

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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Update 2018-8-19:

Updated the post to match the official player page rules. Previously, it was a reconstruction of NStride's post from 2011 that contained many broken image links. This has rules for more tracks written out, but introduces no breaking changes to the leaderboard.

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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Not sure why you made posts on four separate threads regarding the same topic. You can just reply to the same thread. I'm going to lock the other threads you made.

How we dealt with video proof on the vanilla MKWii leaderboards was making a static minimum video requirement time within about 4% of the current proven world record. This game doesn't even have runs for every category, let alone videoed runs for each category to create a baseline from.

This leaderboard never had video requirements in the past, and I'm not about to blast away 30 unproven runs and require video for a game that has low activity in the first place. This leaderboard can survive on the honor system for now, which you already violated with your fake run. I am a strict believer in video proof for runs, but for a game like this, it's better up to a moderator's discretion what is believable and what isn't.

If you really hate to see videoless runs on the leaderboard, you can change your filter to "Videos > With only" and act like the unproven runs don't even exist.

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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

*An update regarding the USB GameCube controller adapter patch introduced in CTGP 1.03.1062 that I had posted in our Discord: *

After some testing, it seems that using the USB GameCube feature saves about .6 seconds per track load. You can tell if this feature is enabled when CTGP says USB GC ON in the bottom right when launching the game.

This is really disappointing because this feature was promising for a lot of players. If the leaderboards were IGT right now, I'd allow it. But for now, I'm going to put a hold on using this feature for runs until the IGT switch. This feature will be permanently banned for 100% runs unless a fix is released.

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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Considering that the meaningful settings are visible within the game, and the settings are set before boot, I'm gonna say you don't need to show CTGP settings before a run in a video. It would just be a huge hassle.

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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

Runs on CTGP are allowed and people have been doing them for a while now. CTGP is nice because we can ensure players are loading from disc, not using Gecko codes, and Wii U players can now use GameCube controllers via the USB adapter. Here are the required settings just to be clear what is/isn't allowed.

  • Custom Tracks: OFF
  • Remove Game Music?: NO
  • 'My Stuff' Folder: OFF
  • Save game on SD card?: NO
  • Special Fonts: OFF
  • SD Compatible Mode: OFF
  • Item Rain (Offline): OFF
  • All Items Can Land (Offline): OFF
  • Menu Transition Speed: Normal

USB GC mode is allowed.

  • Ultra shortcuts are patched on CTGP versus mode, so don't use it for "Skips" categories.
  • CTGP may have increased load times over vanilla MKWii, so don't use it for RTA-based runs (100%).
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Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

I rejected them, but just so you know in the future, you can delete and edit your own runs before they're approved.

Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

I was contacted by a site mod asking me to help moderate this leaderboard after a lack of moderation. A couple changes were made:

  1. Added version number variables. It's required you include a version number with your submission. Any version past 1.03.1000 is now allowed.

  2. All pending submissions were taken care of. Currently videos are not required, but that may change in the future.

TheOneRJB Francesco 喜欢这个
Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

@Frikkinfriks14 Thanks, got that in there now.

Madison, WI, USAcharlocharlie5 years ago

@Mariodude34500 I noticed you deleted a bunch of your runs. Any reason for that?

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