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United Statescapnredbeard2 years ago

Agree that the rules need revamped. And I guess we should look at what the goals are with this category. Are we going for a "first time" feel, or a "no level skipping" run.

Depending on what we're looking for, the rule set will look pretty different.

From a "first time" feel, there would be a lot more banned since it's unlikely that a first time player would stumble into it. Something like the health bug jump I would think would be banned in this category, since the jump is nearly pixel perfect, and unlikely to be found accidentally.

Just thinking off the top of my head, the banned list would look like this from a "first time" perspective:

Pridelands:

  • Health Bug Jump

Just Can't Wait:

  • Super Jump

Graveyard:

  • Nothing

Stampede:

  • Nothing

Exile:

  • All level clips

Hakuna:

  • Waterfall skip

Destiny:

  • Cheetah spawners
  • Boulder skip

Be Prepared:

  • Level skip

Return:

  • Nothing

Pride Rock:

  • Scar skips

Probably not an all inclusive list, but I would start here.

With a "no level skips" the list would get a much shorter, mostly looking at Exile and Be Prepared.

IMO, Swipe jumping and damage boosting are common enough game play mechanics that they should always be allowed.

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United Statescapnredbeard3 years ago

I spent last evening doing some runs with the no exploit rules. Submitted a run just for fun. And I'm in agreement with the points made by @Akiteru. The rules for no exploits seem fairly arbitrary. We can't ledge swipe, but the rules are fine with diving into the brambles in Destiny without using the boulders. The pathing is the same in both cases, but one is legal and the other is not. We're also permitted to dive on the gorilla in Hakuna Matata despite the "correct" way being to wait until the ground pound.

If we want to make No Exploits a legitimate category, I think there needs to be an overhauling of the rules. Honestly, the only things that should be banned are true out of bounds glitches (Be Prepared skip, All exile clips, and possibly super jump). At that point, I would say we may have created something unique without all the extra baggage of trying to force it to feel unique.

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