RussiaSegmented != single segment, YET Segmented != RTA. Segmented is simply a run that is recorded at different times and then video is edited to look like one - that's segmented. Dying and loading during one run kills the fact of Single Segment (for some games it is not true though), but here we don't care if it is single segment or RTA. We care that it is not Segmented, which is different. My YaE run is not Single-Segment, yet it is done in Real-Time and all fails count towords final time.
Also if you read main doom thread here on forum - it says that this all created to show RTA competition aspects. If more segmented runners appear, we might consider adding that as a category, but normally you just submit that to SDA, cause they are not leaderbords - just WR tracker (and very outdated, because of how slow they process runs). SO they will simply write something like "WR by X in XX:XX:XX done in X segments". Yet if you say that your run is not segmented they will write something like "WR by X in XX:XX:XX" and will change it to "done in X segments" if they will figure that it is segmented or even reject (such cases had place and runner had to resubmit his run with proper information).
Yet I might agree that just deleting instead of creating misc category and placing his run there was a bit harsh. Yet that's just because I had enough salt with that "Single-Segment" bad SDA definition.
No, I stopped careing about him, I won't be adding segmented thing here.
Nah, we won't delete segmented categories. I will figure the best solution.
Me and Fatzke available 2PM-7PM CET on 30th and around 9AM-11AM CET and 3PM-5PM CET on 31st.
If it was a feature to separate them in one table then yes sure, otherwise it is just bad presentation of what actually is RTA and what's segmented - people go to leaderboards and 98% of time they only look on first time there, they don't care if it is rta or segmented that is written in some column - that causes misunderstanding in forums/chats/youtube comments.
If you want to run segmented in a game that has ILs you should just do that instead, what ImFuryPro was doing is other thing - he just doesn't understand difference between single-segment speedrun and single-segment video (or he does understand and tries to look better than he is, but I have no idea if he is good or bad at a game, cause he haven't beaten any run legitemately so far).
So segmented stays segmented - moreover it should be in misc. RTA/SS in serious sam is enough of an arbitrary category to be honest, because you get refill on every stage. So it basically makes RTA/SS an IL rush. Doing segmented IL rush makes no sense, so we won't be doing that.
Game Name: Doom System: PC Category: UV-Speed ep1-2-3 (up for race) Gameplay Estimate: 25 minutes Sample run video: Description: fun doom run, actually I just want it to be race, so be glad to reject if none else submittes
Game Name: Unreal System: PC Category: Easy any% (Race with Fatzke, he's UP for it - https://twitter.com/FatzkeFTW/status/685135813185789953) Gameplay Estimate: 1 hour Sample run video: Description: unreal was shown by Fatzke at ESA last year, I'll try to make it a bit faster. Good strats, jumps and saveloadings.
Nice, gonna try that stair jump, and go for sub 6 at least now :D
Sure, but rule should state something like "if no saves/loads used during the run add both RTA and IGT, otherwise ONLY RTA" Might change that by myself tomorrow or so, when I'm not on a phone :D
SDA haven't updated their rules ever since they were written, and actual misunderstandings already had place (yet rules were only fixed for 100% I believe), so you are not first, you are not last, that's alright. For the fact that rules here were incomplete - yeah, now I sort of realised that name "Single-segment" never stated a proper explanation of what that segment is, so yeah.
No worry, glad we actually managed to figure some solution without going as low as throwing stones at each other ;)
That's like the massive category of glithes where you leave the area that is designed to be your gameplay area and go look for weird stuff. Pretty much what Ewil said.
Don't want to insult ImFuryPro - runs are good, BUT they are not single-segment (don't state for our single-segment rules at least). I'll change times, so that they are accurate (since I messed with them). Hope you understand.
Ewil - thanks for those IL tables - great job you are doing! About HD - don't know, me and freezard were doing fine on those, guess no harm to it though. About 2 - yeah sure.
Ewil, I made you a mod on TFE and TSE LBs, so please, sort this out and create segmented categories, since you said you were willing to help. I must go now.
I wonder how didn't I notice that myself, because I was actually looking through it yesterday (50:something TSE run). That's not allowed BY ANYONE neither SDA nor http://www.speedrun.com/serious_sam
In fact - that's first time I see someone actually doing that, so I'm truly shocked. That's actually why I created timing thread, where I suggested adding both IGT and RTA
To ImFuryPro - show me that SDA thread please, it seems that it is not everything that's written there and if so I'll contact them, since that NEVER been the case and was always restricted by community of a game (which normally goes through SDA submissions more closely than I do here).
I wouldn't go as low as calling someone a cheater, but we have reasons to believe that those runs are FAKE and are montaged (we have music resets/ammo bumps in corner with no reasons, also final Playing Time is significantly different). I was actually contacted by FootBigMike about that before, but he didn't state it THAT badly, so I was like "sure I'll look into it when I have time" and created threads.
As for now I will change times of all these runs for what Playing Time shows. If you don't like that, ImFuryPro, you are free to remove your runs. Wouldn't go further in speech until you answer with SDA thread you were talking about.
Hello, I want to ask you all here 1 question.
In classic series after you finish game, which of 2 timers, that are shown on stat-screen, is more accurate?
Right now the rule "IGT if no loadings" seems a bit nazi. I was considering doing that for a long time now and will be adding separate IGT and RTA columns, also "Has manual loadings" variable with yes/no answer.
Please spread that post to other runners, I need info about that. (REALLY NEED EVEN)
Thanks.
Since old games got so much interest I simply can't handle all that alone (there are some things needs to be done to LBs and I don't have time for that this November).
Big_Jim is THE mod, though not really active (like at all :D) as a runner right now.
Freezard is missing T_T
Yoshipro does some stuff from time to time, but I need a dedicated person that will do a certain thing (that will take some time, though not much).
That might sound like some hard and serious job interview I'm trying to start, yet it is not.
I need someone sane, without lust for power and friendly, so that we can make series LBs better.
That seems arbitrary (we actually had a talk about that) but sure I will, under misc.
PogChamp / \ TriHard
Thanks for adding my run, it was half-improvised long time ago, but pretty neat that somebody got to series aswell. You may add me as a moderator, I'll work around IL tables and will make things look a bit better ;)
As for now main difficulties are Tourist, Normal and Serious as they add the most reasonable Difficulty curve to the game, changing some strats and making some impossible, also adding some challenge to game other than tricks.
There was a discussion long time ago between me and Freezard, after which we decided that for ILs main difficulties will be Tourist and Serious as the biggest Curve between tricks/survival, though that was about HD series which don't allow to RJ on Tourist, yet it's the easiest difficulty to do harpy/gnaar fly tricks.
For ILs having something inbetween would make no sense, since you can grind it on easiest for speeds and on hardest for challenge (Mental is hardest since difficulty doesn't differ from Hard (not Serious) + enemies become invisible from time to time).
For HD games adding fullgame Normal and Serious makes no sense so far, because they are just much longer. Maybe they will be added under Misc if interest to those categories will appear at all.
