@zsjetu9 What would that bounty look like to you? @ImDangerous20 The bounty is collected when you achieve the first 4:54
@artismscrub I asked you how much of a bounty it would take for you to seriously grind for 4:54, not who was capable of getting it or not Keepo How much of a bounty would it take for you to join in and seriously grind for 4:54, and try to be the first to get it?
@rt_1 So are you saying, no amount of money (which is the bounty), no matter how large, will make you willing to grind to be the first to 4:54? (doors are open, nobody even wants it)
On my previous post about 4:54, I asked if it was possible, and approximately half of the people said it was, the other half said it wasn't, then we started talking about 8-2, which we found out that saving a framerule in 8-2 is actually easier than 4-2, so that's cool
Now, I'm curious, if someone put a bounty for the first person to 4:54, what would that bounty have to be for you personally (yes, you, the reader) to be willing to grind for this 4:54 and be the first to get it?
It's definitely easier than 4-2 time save, but harder than 8-1 time save. Will be interesting to see someone do it RTA
FPG is kinda hard, but 1-2 FPG seems even harder due to different inputs But is it really that hard if ya boi gunlap28 can do it 1st try hardly ever practicing it? I've also myself done this many times, and this should be a viable strat to add into Warpless runs today for those willing. (i'm not telling the top players to add it, please don't, so I can and get WR Keepo )
Note: 4-2 FPG is the exact same inputs as 1-2 FPG
@Mars02 I believe someone has asked this before and I have answered sometime WR people don't play on PAL because you would need to do like 3-4 (not sure) full FPGs in order to beat WR, and a full FPG is what I would say, when I have looked at the inputs in KingOf_JonnyBoy's full FPG no L+R TAS look approximately as difficult as a 4-2 clip. So you could imagine how many magnitudes more difficult it would be to get WR on PAL. If there could be a better full FPG setup found (likely chance, not sarcasm because only 1 person has looked into it a little bit) that didn't involve 1 frame L and R alternating it would be SIGNIFICANTLY easier, and WR people would consider it.
or maybe the mods would turn a non blind eye to this, publicly deciding to separate the PAL and NTSC versions, significantly reducing the value of a WR by PAL, and people stop grinding on PAL with that knowledge instead of grinding for months before they get separated and you're like "oh... well rip"
That makes no sense because none of those things are true. I've watched your videos, there is definitely variety, you're honest, and, what, believing and expressing your religion now is not allowed? I'm pretty sure being Christian and sending your messages out is accepted by society. bruh google
It'd be pretty amazing to see that it would be possible to snap to the right side of the flagpole instantly, and we could be just missing something. It's not like we've totally dissected every line of code in this game, there could still be more out there.
@wolfattack There is a setup, but it's really hard @Darpey Because it's like doing 4X 4-2 clips in a row (not the blazit, the lightning clip) and doing everything else. I wouldn't imagine Kosmic would be willing to do 4 4-2 clips in the same run, let alone once ever. But maybe someone will. I would be if I could know with confidence that the PAL and NTSC versions will stay together.
@zdoroviy_antony 4-2 clip is like over 100X harder because of the 1 frame releases and button presses multiple times, I'd estimate.
Yes, it is possible to get full FPG without L+R, KingOf_JonnyBoy found a setup over a year ago I think (it's extremely hard, in the realm of 4-2 clip difficulty) @kuribro 4:51 in PAL is considering running the game at 50 FPS. If it was run at 60 FPS, then you get this beautiful witchcraft
@NathanAlmighty This framerule is free if you're doing fire, in fact you should be able to go 1 framerule faster because you can get a 375 in 4-2 @warpedclip I'm not sure how much leeway you have, but I'd say you have at least a little bit of leeway if you play very fast @zdoroviy_antony This would be one of the last things I would add, due to the difficulty it adds is so great that it's even harder than adding an FPG, so I would be adding it sometime after 4:56 if I were to take this game that far (I only plan on taking it to 4:57 if my stream wants to see that)
This is probably one of the hardest framerules to save, due to the amount of frame perfect pixel perfect jumps that have drastically increased, due to the demand of having to play the whole level almost the entire way without slowing down I have 1 slight slowdown in this level at the big pipe jump, because it make the rest of the level easier. The first 2 pipe jumps are not too precise, you have 2 frames to execute them if you land on the 1st pixel The next 2 pipe jumps are pixel perfect frame perfect, like a walljump. You must land perfectly and jump off them perfectly. Then you do the simple frame perfect jump Then you can slowdown a little bit at the big pipe jump, but when you get to the part where you are at the goombas you shouldn't slow down as it is risky you might lose the framerule Then you do the final pipe jump, which you will have 2 frames to do (2 frames because of the slowdown manipulation).
Ok, that's the 2nd part of saving a framerule in 8-1 (there's more) You need to be fast enough in 4-2 as well, as the 4-2 and 8-1 framerule are connected, so it is very important you go fast enough in 4-2 as well.
And there you go, 1 framerule saved look fax ok seriously someone save 5 framerules with 1-2g and get low 4:58 WR
@i_o_l That's exactly what I used to think, and I have a forum post about separating PAL and NTSC With PAL, you could potentially go all the way down to 4:51 maybe, but by that time I'm sure the mods would decide to separate the versions.
But hey, if the mods could get together and decide whether the versions will stay together or not, that would be nice so we all know for sure.
It doesn't say anything about dying being banned in the rules, so you can die all you please in your run
