See the comments of Maxi's post regarding the unban of RazorJ. I explain everything there. It seemed a lot of people didn't know it was unbanned, so I made a post specifying this

Shoutout to iverb for reminding me that this thread existed xd

I've decided already to not include assistants to a category, partly because people in the middle of a warper chain. So I won't be adding you atm

No.

(I don't feel like I need to say much more because we're not banning a DIGGER strat, and if we did then we would also ban bad pingers who can have their dis blocks and menu block for longer times)

Allow me to reiterate the reasons for the unban and add some more:

• People can make it even if their ping is good (Flare and Thunder and the only people to say they have never made it, which may change)

• A lot of leaps that AREN'T banned fit this description, so we would have to ban them as well.

• Even leaps that don't require the lessening of ping have a bias because you can still have a better leap.

That being said, PlebJ is also being unbanned, something that wasn't mentioned in the original post

f3 also shows ping.

Probably. I will not do it if Maxi doesn't want them unbanned

People should just run Mirror's Edge tbh Kappa

It's fine that you're ranting, I like ranting too

I honestly don't think there's a solution. No matter what I do about this that isn't on a logistic standpoint, Maxi and I will be seen as biased towards x group of people. As a result of this, just leaving it out in the open is the only reasonable solution

I) I wouldn't say it's "creative" because Non - OP leap category would just be 1. Restrain yourself or 2. Ban certain leaps.

II) Where's the line for a leap being "OP". A leap could be ALMOST OP, but not quite. That seems pretty vague

III) I actually don't understand this one

The simplest reasonable answer would be to unban all leaps and accept that this speedrun is just fucking garbage, or make this a speedrun page for a better game Kappa

Please refer to your thread

1. That is another good point. To be honest this game is actually just bullshit as a speedrun because too much of it is ping based. Hence, again, I am considering the unban

2. You can disprove it by demonstrating a method that works for a fairly sized group of low ping users for doing the leap that matches the consistency people with poor ping may have. That would work basically equally as well as manipulating your own ping as proof.

3. I've only seen Thunder's crybabying, and Thunder is Thunder; I would probably not be swayed by his opinion alone. I (and most likely Maxi) just agree(d) that there was an advantage to having high ping that was "unfair" to the general low ping people.

Please refer to literally every locked thread from cjhxplayz

I am also aware that others leap can be said to have this bias. This was the major argument made in the argument I had that coerced me into wanting to unban. I do plan on unbanning the leap. Just don't say it's "biased", because our intention was exactly the opposite, and it just (apparently) didn't turn out that way.

Especially considering that I've also made the leap which means that argument which I've heard several times is out the window :/

As in a way that makes ping have 0 to very little factor on one's consistency and ability to do that leap. Not "Hey I can make it with high ping therefore ping isn't a factor".

Please read my post on your complaint post. That is basically the rest of what I have to say on the issue

I have been coerced into unbanning the leap and Maxi's thoughts are pending, however I'll still going to reply to this because there's some issues I have with it

The issue is not that you can't make it without bad ping. I am aware that people can make it with good ping. However, from what I have seen for the past while, bad ping DOES at least have a positive impact on one's ability to make the OP leaps, or at least, make it more consistently. Unless you can disprove it, this is a true statement for the most part. That being said, we've seen it as an 'unfair' advantage to high ping runners for they will (most probably) be able to get more runs in because they can have a more consistent leap. Of course we would be biased towards the good pingers if they appear to have a disadvantage.The same thing was actually done in the Mirror's Edge community with minimal backlash, and that's part of why I ended up being OK with it (I was actually one who didn't want to ban leaps, but there was a LOT more hatred towards PlebJ).

The statement that ping helps can be disproven, and if you can disprove it, then the case will be over and all leaps will be unbanned. Even without proof this may be unbanned because again, I've been coerced. I am sorry if you think this was completely unjust, I did not mean to be intentionally biased, and if this remains a problem I will see it resolved

For players who aren't in the community, the leap being referred to (RazorJ) is a version of the 2nd leap which can be seen here:

After consideration, we have decided that Razor's Leap on Sandstorm (which is also called RazorJ or CheetahJ (I refuse to call it either of those regularly) will be banned for the following reasons:

1. It appears to be heavily ping-biased, making it resort to either luck or ping manipulation, both of those being pretty bad for speedrunning.

2. PlebJ (A version of the third leap in Skylands that is banned as well for the same reasons) was found to be an overall distance of .5 shorter than that of the Sandstorm Leap (~ 14.2 blocks vs. ~ 13.7 blocks). Since PlebJ is banned, we see no reason that one should be banned but not the other

If someone finds a way to make either / both of these leaps in a way that doesn't rely on your ping, please let us know, and we will consider it. But for now, the leap shall be banned, and all runs containing it will be removed with a notice in the comments of the video

I really wish that wasn't my designated role...

Upon looking back at this, I really regret rejecting runs for being bad. The troll run I feel was justified but the Through Hell Digger situation I should not have handled in a salty way. I was salty because of how many people were choosing to beat my garbage world record with garbage world records. So I'm sorry

Tiggz did a full clear without thinking when he was mod

Eh