Didn't notice this category, thank

thanks man :)

Can you do it please :(

Can you remove me

Why am I tagged on this run? I've never played this game

Neat! Hadn't thought about letting the power run out to do that. I guess since you never really need to leave again after reaching the endgame area there's no real downside to losing the key.

Actually while I'm here, the stats for this board says there's 2 runs but I can't find the second run on any of the leaderboards even when filtering for hidden/obsolete runs, is it stuck on a hidden board or something?

In the rules for the 100% category, it mentions that you have to get your media tower card taken by Roxanne. Doesn't that just make the game impossible? Is something actually supposed to happen after you give it to her? Sorry I have to ask, I can't find anything online about it and I don't have a way to play my copy currently.

Yeah there's a lot of tight jumps you can route into this. I just barely missed a 1:29 practicing right now so here's hoping I can smash this lol

Harold's Walk (PC) is fine

Great minds think alike, birds of a feather blah blah blah

I think if you are interested in speedrunning Lung, going for 100% is definitely the way. Running any% in it is just kind of balls now, since if you want wr it's at the point where you'd reset over things like taking a corner slightly too wide. 100% is nowhere near as long as I thought it would be prior to running it (good runs should be around the low 50s), and you get a lot more leniency with making minor screwups. It also helps that the only run I have of it up right now is super beatable. I reckon there'll be about 2 weeks until HW PC gets approved so it could give you something to do in the meantime.

Yeah it's the same way I do the timing for Automaton Lung, going off the first frame the game reacts to you starting a save or killing the final boss. There are tools which will automatically frame count youtube videos for you so it won't be hard to do at all either.

Oh wow yours is so much better. I was just looking to list crown numbers/firewalls but that actually shows what's in each level and isn't awful on the eyes. And yeah I'll let you get on with submitting for a new board, would assume you're the one who did it for this one too so it makes sense.

Bro lol how did we have the same thought with the flowchart. Here's mine for what it's worth. Figuring out how to make the gas station-bridges stretch not look like a mess was troubling.

I agree with making a thread for compiling every trick or shortcut we find. And I do actually agree with you that the PC version is different enough to warrant it being its own game on here entirely. Seeing as we already have this leaderboard website mods would probably give further advice if they think that's unecessary. You can list games as "related" on here, so we can just have the 3DS and PC versions point to eachother through that instead of having to keep them attached.

Placing this into a separate thread to keep the topic name relevant. Now that the PC Version has come out, I'll say how I think it should be handled leaderboard-wise. This discussion will obviously go over the new content and endings that have been added into the PC Version, so I'd recommend going and playing through it first before reading further.

SPOILERS BELOW

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There are 4 endings to the game now, which are:

1. The bad ending, where you leave through the green portal in 'Wheel of Eight' after obtaining 10 crowns.
2. The Secret Ending, where you leave through the red portal in 'Escape'.
3. The challenge level ending, where you finish Challenge Level 8. This follows on from the 'Escape' level, as with the secret ending, which can only be reached after obtaining 32 crowns.
4. The true ending, which you get by going through the blue portal in 'Afterparty'. The portal to 'Afterparty' unlocks after obtaining 290 bytes, and the portal to the ending unlocks after obtaining all 100 crowns and 300 bytes.

The following things are noteworthy from this:

• The bad ending and true ending pretty much replace the any% and 100% categories respectively
• The true ending doesn't entirely encompass 100%, since you wouldn't need to get all portals for the true ending to become accessible.
• The secret ending is effectively a shorter version of the Challenge Level ending. I'm not sure I would run it if it was a category.

I think the best way we can handle this is by setting categories as platforms, and then subcategories for the endings. So now you have two categories, 3DS and PC, with the 3DS having any% and 100% subcategories while the PC category has subcategories for whichever endings get leaderboards. I'm not sure how you'd handle this for IL's, but the PC version does have a time attack mode which would support it so I think it's worth keeping them around.

I used some hacky stuff to play through inaccessible levels in the demo. I'd just prefer not to explain how I did that or what I saw, largely since it could be used to play through more levels without paying for the game, and also because it's still subject to be changed. Didn't mean to come across as vague as I did haha

It wasn't what I originally meant, but when I was thinking about it earlier today I agree with your interpretation that a completely separate board makes more sense. The PC version is effectively a different game, and from what I know that normally warrants a separate board. As for the 100% category, I won't say too much of what I know, but I have fair reason to believe that category would be redundant. I'll be happy to talk about this more once the game comes out, I should get notified if you make a thread on here so that's probably the best way to go about it.

From playing it, I agree that it seems far too different to be on the same leaderboard as the 3DS version. The dev has mentioned that there will be 4 endings for the game, so it's reasonable for those to be the 4 categories that the PC version gets. I think subcategories would be the best way to manage this, the Pikmin 1 leaderboards use them to differentiate between platforms if you want to see an example of it. Effectively this means that you can keep the original leaderboards for the 3DS version, while being able to add new leaderboards for the PC version under the same categories. The only issue with this approach is that you wouldn't be able to specify platform-specific rules, and would instead have to mention platform differences under game/category rules.

Of course, we should wait until the full game comes out before deciding too much X)

Link to announcement: https://twitter.com/lukewasthefish/status/1789461459187147062

I'll submit runs for this when it comes out. Looks like the port cuts out load times entirely so I would assume it'll get a different board?

Adjusted your time going off of frames. Nice run!

Not sure if you know but the release build of the game is faster, the camera when you were on the hoverboard was glitched & you could shoot while riding it, letting you hit the elevator switch earlier than you did here, I reckon with that you could definitely get under 3:10

edit: added a guide on here for you to use if you want to downgrade