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SupporterI'll investigate it later. I don't think Trevor played on a PSP or in any way cheated that run. He played on an SCPH-90001 with Breaker Pro afaik.
It appears to be an issue with how the emulator is handling data streaming.
If the game loads a camera transition as you're unloading an area, generally a console would just dump the data, but the emulator is having trouble discarding the assets.
As long as you're not posting links or pointing directions on how to get it, I don't care. Just thought I would make that distinction. I think you should post about it elsewhere though.
Trevor Seguin and ZENO are the standard I would wish more runners would hold themselves to.
I should mention that PAL itself isn't banned, just 50hz PAL. So that really just means RE2, RE3, and CVX can't be played on PAL since it doesn't run at the same speed as the NTSC versions. Minimal gimp. This affects nothing for the european PSN download since RE2 and RE3 on PSN is a copy of the NTSC disc and not the PAL disc. If you want to play that one, go for it (Euro PSN RE1 is PAL though)
Most people use psxjin. I recommend psxjin. As for where to acquire it, you'll have to find it yourself.
Could you screenshot the files in question? Maybe I can help.
I'm a little less interested in the fact that you can "mash fast" and more interested in your technique. Partially because I hate it when people just say "mash fast" or "go fast" because not everyone can figure it out on their own, but mainly because I like to collect different techniques.
Are you seriously mashing 12-13hz with only your thumb? Based on the way you are holding the controller and watching your thumb move, you're just straight up using your thumb, which is something I've found to be next to impossible. Not that I don't believe it can't be done (I'm looking at it), I just don't know how to do it or even which muscles/group I'm supposed to be using.
I'm just using my entire forearm, and from the angle you're holding that controller, that'd be impossible for me. How the fuck are you doing that?
Hi, GAMETORIANS -
Not really, because traditional speedrunning category definitions go like this, based on level of game completion:
low% = lowest item pickup/events. Knife falls under this category. any% = anything goes, as long as it's a fresh game, just trigger the ending. 100% = best ending. New Game + = bonus weapons/things carried over from previous save.
Give or take some variables. But Best Ending could fall under this.
As it stands now, it doesn't make sense to have a low% 100% category. There's no point in doing Knife Only Best Ending since the only real difference between Knife Only Normal and Knife Only Best Ending is the Super Tyrant (which even then can't be beaten without the Rocket Launcher at the end of the day).
In a run with weapons, you'd have to route around ammo pickups in such a way that there is enough to differentiate 100% and any%. In Knife Only, there's nothing there to differentiate it enough competitively between Bad Ending and Good Ending. We have enough categories, and nobody actively competes in it either. If there were more runners and they wanted to splinter off into a 100%, then I'd be for it due to popular demand, but I think there should be competition in it first.
Makes sense?
Shoot for 1:10:30. That's Moku-Gyo's time, but there is no video.
Except why do we need to encourage separate competition for a version which was deliberately slowed down? Everyone is willing to run the faster version and they can run it fine. I played PAL once when I was in Sweden, everything functions the same except it's slower because the TVs were built to have a lower refresh rate.
There are free options in every community (which is almost always emulator or PC, we have this), and there are options that cost money that people commit to for the sake of competing with a specific record. If you look at ANY other game's community in the speedrunning community, they do that. Europeans import NTSC shit for NES games, SNES games, N64, PlayStation 1/2, and Gamecube all the time, because they're looking to compete in specific relevant categories.
We're seriously the ONLY community in speedrunning that makes that big a deal about separating console PLATFORMS (a la PS1, GCN, PC), but ONLY because there are large justifiable differences between each version. I already tried to make the concession to accessibility here by adding as many categories as I thought were reasonable to people who may not have access to a game console. Dolphin is still not stable, PSXjin is, and PC is PC.
We don't even have to worry about cost for imports anymore. It's 2015, and imports are fucking easy as shit to buy and play on your console. With the advent of being able to buy Japanese games off of PSN and play them on PS3 (or any other sony console that supports PSN for that matter) for literally $5, why is a paywall to play the version that everyone plays even an issue? You are paying the same cost to buy the import version of a game made in 1998, as you would pay domestically in your own country.
2000 yen PSN card, $20 off Play-Asia. Biohazard 2 is only like 500 yen. In the last month I've verified more NTSC emulator runs from French players than any other player anyway. If you can play ANY of the platforms that are capable of running a game at 60Hz for ultra-cheap or no money at all, then it makes absolutely no sense to include a board for a slower version of the game just on principle like that.
Like, this shouldn't even be a discussion, can we please not do this?
Deckard - I got rid of the PAL 50hz category because there were too many and I wanted to truncate it. For the sake of making these boards look cleaner and to encourage competition, there needs to be fewer categories. Nobody was running it seriously nor submitting times. The only time submitted here was by AndehX and he said I could take it down a long time ago, but I didn't do anything until now because i was expecting people to run it. I figured nobody would miss it, because 99% of the PAL region players here are more than willing to run PC or Emu (and DO run PC, emu, or even import NTSC-J).
I dunno where you got the information that emulators were not accepted here, but PLEASE, look again, because there IS an emulator category for PS1. As a community, we've accepted emulator runs since 2013 on the old wiki. There was a period where that didn't happen, but that was my bad because I was too narrow-minded to see how emulator runs and console runs could co-exist.
Poopfist - Actually, in the case of RE2, the game runs at 30FPS on NTSC and 25FPS on PAL. Same math, but the universal constant is that PAL runs 5/6ths as fast as NTSC. Certain assets are sped up or slowed down in order to adapt to the framerate when developers make the PAL port, as NTSC logic and PAL logic are different. If you played the PAL version at 60Hz without a 60Hz mode, then the game would run at 30FPS but things like music and certain animations would run too fast.
Liv - There isn't a point since we're all using game timer for everything. We can still figure this out anyway though, for the sake of discussion, and because I don't know anything about it either: the PAL timer does run differently, but RE2 NTSC's in game timer DOES factor in the skipped cutscenes. 50 minute RTA Leon A is the same game timer as 1:05 IGT Leon A whether you skipped the cutscenes or not. Has anyone done a speedrun on PAL without skipping cutscenes to confirm this?
Whoops!
It was my idea to force in doorskip mod boards due to tensions about not having a doorskip category at the time, but most of the competition wound up being in the No Doorskip board anyway because it's the unmodified way to run. The people who wanted the boards wound up not running the game seriously; nobody is optimizing them. I think a lot of these players run No Doorskips anyway.
So, in an effort to tidy things up and encourage competition to be in one place, should we eliminate them?
I would say "yes".
Here's a 56:42 I got on All Scenarios Normal Offline about 4 years ago. I wanna post it on the leaderboard. It would be a WR, but the thing is, I edited out the loads because I played on Disc and the loads were like 15 seconds each.
I never posted this run up on the Wiki because I didn't want to create a double standard where I could just break the rules I put in place. I thought I would ask here though, if you guys thought it'd be OK. It's a run that wouldn't be too terribly hard to beat, probably improvable by like 3 minutes or something at least. That much, you can tell from the play quality; I didn't splice this run (you can't spoof IGT on a console anyway without going to great lengths) but I'm leaving it up to y'all's discretion.
Here's the video.
You can't use the Hawk Emblem on the gate, but this is useful for carrying BOW gas and Flames.
If you're playing a game on console via Composite, you can record raws and stream at the same time with barely any resources used. Screencap your recording window. Only a max of 480i 30FPS, but I did that literally forever and never lost a recording.
If you're on PC, try seeing if you can run FRAPS while streaming. Running a 3 year old processor, I'm still able to record RE3 Mediakite with FRAPS while streaming at 720p.
The only games that would be a problem are REmaster and other modern RE games. You would need a second laptop for capture, or a box like the Avermedia Live Gamer HD (which I use) to record HDMI externally.
$250 for this and a cheap SATA Laptop HDD = 720p 60FPS. It's money well-spent, and the best part of all is, it won't depreciate for at least another 6 years.
Shut up, Trance :(
Yeah, Liv, I see that, and it'd be up to Zenix if he wanted to recategorize his run as just a regular glitched for the sake of altering categories or not.
I think it'd be a fun addition to the lineup.
Why not just combine S-Rank and Glitchless into the same category? Then the route would be radically different enough to justify having both these stipulations.
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Dudley once mentioned to me that there were two PlayStation versions. This wasn't apparent to me that there were actual speedrunning differences until I ran Nemesis%.
Obviously we're not going to split cats between these versions, but in order to help facilitate finding the better versions of the game to run, let's talk more.
Other ppl have apparently run 1.1 on emu and might be able to help me.
Here are my findings.
I have the Japanese PS1 disc, it is a 1.0 I also have the Japanese PSN version, it is 1.1
1.0
- Nemesis 5 has an extra corner bug, which allows for consistent Eagle crits and no damage with only a little extra positioning and aiming.
- Music Box puzzle is randomized
1.1; this is the version that is used as a base for every subsequent port, including Bio3 Mediakite
- Corner hang patched (had to use Flames against Nemesis 5 instead)
- Music Box puzzle solution is locked to UUDDUU.
This correct?
Unlocked this thread so people can ask about what they see, to elaborate. Visual shows you how to do things, but there's other nonvisual cues or very minute things to pay attention to that you can't catch by just watching the video.
