As the new blue cat glitch has shown it is possible to break some of the World Records way easily than before, I would fine interesting to separate runs using glitches from runs that don't use it. Most of the games here in Speedrun.com have separate categories to dissociate glitch and glitchless runs, and until now I found out the idea pretty useless as breaking-game glitches weren't discovered yet. Now I found this more than useful as it devaluates all the efforts done since speedrunning has started on this game.

PS : Just to clarify things : some people could say I'm complaining because my World 3 speedrun was beaten by Ectoplasm, absolutely not.

Personnally I'm not a huge fan of game-breaking glitches, even if it can still be interesting to see what's the lowest time is possible if the time saved is worth it.

Now the question is :

Do you guys think it is a good idea to separate runs with glitches from those who don't ? And if yes, Is there any way to do so ?

Thanks for reading, have a nice day

The issue with a blanket ban on all glitches is that runs that have them, like 1-4 and 2-1, would still be in competition with the blue glitch. And that's assuming we can come to a decision on what counts as a glitch (one of the main reasons I personally dislike glitchless and NMG categories). I think a better idea would be to isolate just the blue glitch as a separate category and not have a true glitchless one.

The other problem is that this is a small speed game with a lot of ILs. Making a separate category would mean creating 266 more leaderboards that will mostly go unused, especially with the hardware dependency.

Third, the glitch does not save time in all levels. Separating the leaderboards would force anyone who only wants the fastest strats, like me, to have to look at two boards instead of one.

The idea I've considered is adding the blue glitch as a filter. That way runs with and without it can exist on the same leaderboard for easy comparison and better organization, but can also be separated with a toggle for those that want it.

Yeah I thought about the fact it would make lots of unused categories. If it separates runs using the blue glitch from runs who don't, it seems fine to me. So in that way, there will be 2 leaderboards with and without it ( if I understood correctly). Then if you can, try to do so.

As you said it seems there are glitches in 1-4 and 2-1, but as of now I don't exactly see where these are. And I personally think glitches could be used in runs ( like 5-7 clipping glitch) as long as it is not something that completely breaks the game. However I find it pretty unfair as we didn't figure out yet how to do it consistently.

Thinking about it more and more I think I figured out something that could work :

As you said if we make another categorie, it could be useless as most of the ILs don't save time using the glitch.

But I just thought that all ILs in perfectionnist mode don't have runs.

And thereotically that would mean it's not that much of a deal if we add another category for blue glitch runs.

The problem with filters is that all runs are in the same leaderboards despite not using the same routes, and for those who don't want to use the bug, it seems really unfair. But as you said, if there's a way to make 2 leaderboards instead of one through the toggle, then why not.

Adding the category wouldn't change a lot of things, except having a lot of unused leaderboards, like in perfectionnist ILs.

I think having a tag named «glitched» or something like that would be a good idea. There are too many ILLs for new ones, I think it would be messy. I agree with Saturne saying that a new category would be nice, because having categories restricted by hardware seems like a bad idea, but then we have to define what «glitched» means. So I think the easier solution is to just make a tag, at least while the game still doesn't have so many runners.

Also just a question: does anyone have a link to a guide/video for this new glitch tech? I would like to try it out 😇

As Zachery said I think we can only separates runs using the blue cat glitch, as for now there is only this glitch that completely breaks all the efforts done

I'm not really sure what you mean by tag, but the issue will stay the same if all the runs have the same leaderboard in common.

For the glitch, Zach and I made videos about how to reproduce the glitch :

Here's Zachery's video :

Here's mine