@SioN there are three australian runners, same as Tuttery's post above

https://www.speedrun.com/hot_wheels_track_attack/levels does this count?

@AnInternetTroll

Admittedly I haven't taken that close a look at all at matrix - most of my comments were aimed at Guilded.

My 'account' message is more general, the limiting feature is not actually making an account / logging in, it's moving to a new platform entirely and getting used to it (setting up notifications, settings, etc)

That bridge bot looks pretty cool on the surface, I would need to look into it more. Although, I assume for it to be effective in the use case you described you'd need to bridge multiple channels (potentially the entire server, if possible)

I don't know how matrix works, but from what you said it sounds similar to Guilded where there are sub-groups in a server? In Guilded at least (what my comments were directed towards), each subgroup is intended to be a different game (or something like this). I could potentially see large servers converting categories / groups of categories into these different groups, to give it more room to breathe, or potentially using them for different languages, but my fear is that it seems to be designed for very large servers - otherwise these extra groups/channels could feel very empty. One community I frequent is about 20 total members, with only a few active - the place would feel very empty. I think, you could just ignore the groups feature altogether, but I'm not sure the efficiency of that (but for popular Series it could work?)

I think a 50% conversion rate is honestly a bit wishful thinking, unless you literally shut down the discord server and forced people to move. Since you come from a minecraft space, as you said not every community has such an active userbase. So I'm worried that losing so many people in a move for some communities could irreversibly kill the community if some members aren't bothered to make the move.

I can only imagine though that at some point a large community will attempt to make the switch to another platform. I wonder which will be the first (if any).

Do you have an invite link for your matrix space @AnInternetTroll ? I'd like to see how you have it setup!

I wish I was able to give you a list of concrete examples, but personally as an admin since about 2017 I have experienced countless frustration with Discord since. Yes, they do so many things right, but it can be done much better and I think the options are worth exploring

I want to make this clear to everyone since it doesn't seem to be coming across well - the gist I mentioned, about the developer of discord.py stopping maintenance, was not shared because some bots will break / have to migrate to other libraries / etc. I highly recommend reading it - the point explicitly was to outline a continued pattern by Discord, their employees, and their treatment of some of arguably their most critical users (the library maintainers work for free and provide a large amount of customisability to be more easily accessible to a lot of people, which in turn is arguably one of the main reasons why Discord is so preferable (the bots)) over a long period of time. That pattern of behavior is why I'm seriously considering alternatives. Also, it seems some features that I've wanted for a while exist on Guilded (i.e. all the different channel types (docs, forums, etc))

"I don't see updated bots being essential to many (or any) communities, but feel free to correct me."

Yeah, while not directly an issue for many communities, it's more there to highlight a pattern of neglect Discord has shown towards its userbase.

"They seem to have been recently acquired by Roblox, which I guess isn't the worst corporation to be owned by, but I'm jaded to the idea that this won't start to have an effect on the platform."

Worth noting they (Guilded) had made a statement claiming that they will remain independent as normal in their development, and that the Roblox acquisition would have no effect on the company. As you said, whether that's actually the case is yet to be seen, but I'm not hopeful.

"Regardless, if the communities I'm in moved there, then I'd follow without complaint. I'd be willing to say that a large majority of speedrunners are more committed to their communities more than they are to Discord."

I don't see this being the case for the wider community, honestly. As you guys said the benefit of moving would not be worth the effort / hit on the community. My biggest concern is, if this pattern continues, and Discord falls down in terms of usability / feasibility, where is the tipping point? Will communities ever be able to move swiftly, or will they be too deeply rooted to move effectively? I think it's the same reason that many people still use Messenger... not enough reason to move, somehow. Some people don't care about better and are just comfy where they are, but for server administrators / moderators (which are the people most acutely aware of the differences / problems with Discord and have to deal with them), it just takes more effort to keep up and deal with Discord's drawback. I'm not sure there's much winning here.

My perspective is limited since I've only ever been apart of speedrunning communities since Discord was well established (late 2017), so I've never migrated with one before. Hopefully that won't be a necessity, though. Thanks for your comments guys

Hey guys,

I believe we're starting to see a trend in Discord and their staff, which is one of neglecting their user base, bot developers, and most feedback, that will not last long. Discord has largely stayed the same since I joined it 5 years ago, barring some minor features (and nitro features). Things that I have been begging for for years only being introduced by this year and the next, for example.

I cannot do it justice myself, but if you want a good read about this, check out this gist: https://gist.github.com/Rapptz/4a2f62751b9600a31a0d3c78100287f1?a on why discord.py (python library for discord bot APIs) will no longer be maintained.

My question to everyone is; what are your thoughts on moving communities, specifically ones surrounding Speedrunning, to alternatives? Is this something you're considering? How would you go about doing so? While I've maintained many large servers, some related to speedrunning, some not, the idea of trying to move one of those communities is a nightmare, but I feel that the lifetime of Discord is waning.

One of the alternatives I'm considering is Guilded; https://www.guilded.gg/blog/guilded-top-10-features-standalone . It seems to be the best one available right now. I haven't spent enough time in the environment yet to properly weigh the options, though.

Here are some of my concerns:

• Reluctance of users to create another account for another platform
• Potential fragmentation of communities / need to re-build a platform / home, especially for the many smaller communities out there
• The structure might not make sense for a lot of games/communities atm
• The place just isn't very popular

I've also heard of Element (matrix), which I've made an account on, but I'm not holding onto the hope that that site is worth the watch.

Thoughts?

He's saying that he thinks comments would be a great addition for that purpose... did you miss that part? Yes, the two items are not that related for those who have a better understanding about speedrunning, sure, but it still fits in the thread. It's also a larger problem with these forums. A lot of you are sticklers for forum etiquette and 'rules', stifling conversation before it begins with needless technicalities and nitpicks. This is by far the most toxic part of the speedrunning community from my perspective. I don't care if you disagree with me, I'm not interested in having this debate.

So many people on these forums don't understand that if a comment is relevant to a thread it doesn't matter how old it is and pointing it out is so needless and unproductive

I'm not interested in this game ATM so I gave you mod. Do what you think is best

I did this, and it was fine.

nah bro what the fuck is this i aint part of u homie

you're right there tbh.

@1 Except, they're not an individual, they are multiple people in one body (presumably) I am not an expert on the topic btw

Yes. For example I wasn't able to put in today's date (for me) into a tool's creation date because that was 'in the future'.

(but this is off topic).

i dont understand how his post wasn't relevant. I don't use PM's but I can imagine that it has the same timezone bugs and issues as the rest of this site, using it as an australian can be so frustrating sometimes and it's reasonable to want that fixed

god this feels amazing

I usually only require it for different thresholds, for e.g. a wr / top time in a category

most games i run are unpopular so there's little incentive to cheat anyways

(and because I normally listen to my own music while running and i cba)

Can't upload a release date with today's date because I live in australia and am in the future compared to the US. Please fix (I know I'm missing the actual file, not important here).

Jesus christ? Why am I getting these ads here? It's exactly like the YouTube mobile app, I swear...

I've been having a blast running some indie horror games recently:

Late Work - https://www.speedrun.com/late_work Gaming Late at Night - https://www.speedrun.com/gaming_late_at_night The Whitetail Incident - https://www.speedrun.com/whitetail

for example. You can check my profile to see some of the other run's I've been doing, I recommend them all!