Argentina[quote=Kasey09]I mean, I doubt openly admitting to ban evading with an alt is going to get you anywhere, but good luck I guess.[/quote]
Bot's really copy-pasting one of my posts from another thread smh
I'm currently during one of my breaks from speedrunning. It's important to recognize when you're just not feeling it and knowing when to distance yourself from the hobby to avoid getting burned out. It's a hobby, not a chore :)
That being said, I did a run for Pepsiman yesterday as a showcase (after nearly 3 months from my last speedrun in any game whatsoever), so that might get me going once again.
I'm not sure any of these lead anywhere, but props for the effort
That is correct, and this has already been reported before in this thread: https://www.speedrun.com/the_site/thread/yeqvv
This is most likely caused by some shenanigans due to 0-base and 1-base indexed arrays. It'd be great to get this fixed since it doesn't seem too complex and it really disrupts the flow of the site at some points.
PS: For now, when you need to go to page 2, click on number 3 instead. If it's the last page that you need, you can instead add a ".../n+1" to the URL, with n = the number of the last page.
You can find your runs that are pending for verification on your "Pending Actions" tab. You can these on the hourglass icon on the navbar at the top of the site.
Once you find your run there, it's just a matter of clicking on it and it'll lead you to the run's page, where you can follow @Merl_ 's instructions.
[quote=Liv]It's not easy to get banned at all. Plenty of people on here have had very aggressively opposing opinions directly opposing Site Staff in the past whether it's over a feature or policy, none of them got banned because of a difference of opinion.[/quote]
I've seen a fair share of threads popping up every now and then on this sub-forum where a runner came to complain about some beef they have with a game's community/leaderboard moderator and then get into a discussion in the same thread with the mod in question, usually resulting in the runner's ban from the site.
Now, I'm not necessarily saying the runner isn't doing anything to warrant a ban (they most likely are), but I find that perhaps a so called "forum ban" or "mute" would be a better fit, at least in cases where it was just internal drama that didn't negate the runs themselves.
I'd be more on board with a full ban in a case where you're actually going out of your way to remove the banned runner's runs, in case that they're suddenly found to be invalid. However, if we're not doing so why would we prohibit the runner from further submitting? That'd sound like mixed signals to me.
[quote=Liv]If this is because of that one dumbass sock account that got banned and was clearly created to troll, they're not worth the effort.[/quote]
It's certainly not my ideal to make every ban from now on either a forum or submission ban; a full ban can be warranted for obvious troll accounts if the site deems so. However, if the ban is being served purely for a disenting opinion (which the site is entirely entitled to do), just banning them from the forums would be enough.
PS: Again, I'm unsure whether "forum-only bans" are thing already or not, so I thought it'd be a neat suggestion. If they are, we can just move on, as there's not much else to add here.
[quote=BenInSweden]You can:
- If site staff feels it necessary, forum posting privileges may be revoked. From: https://www.speedrun.com/knowledgebase/site-rules [/quote]
That's a nice find! Is there any example where this was enforced without the user also losing submission privileges though? To my knowledge those types of situations have always end up resulting in a ban.
[quote=shenef]If it's so "easy" to get banned, then changing the way bans work probably won't solve any problem and it sounds more like a problem with the rules or with how the rules are enforced.[/quote]
I really think it would, given that instead of giving out full bans to revoke forum posting privileges they could just give a forum ban instead, allowing the user to continue submitting runs without indulging in more drama or whatever got him silenced.
A runner can be a jackass and still be allowed to submit runs. In that scenario, we just wouldn't want to hear about him.
[quote=shenef]How would you police alts and which account should be able to submit runs? srcom can't really verify which account is an alt and who owns it.[/quote]
The same way they are policed right now. This wouldn't change the way we find alts (which is finding slip ups from the users themselves), but rather how they're punished.
[quote=french]how did you even get the video lol[/quote]
@french It's on page 4 of this very thread
[quote=french]I can't care enough to read all 8 pages, is there a TLDR?[/quote]
tl;dr: Jaypin got originally permabanned a few months ago for stealing 4 IL runs. However, he got unbanned this week without as much as a word from speedrun.com as to why. Not long after we found Jaypin's apology video where he's found twisting facts a bit, so chaos ensued. Good enough?
EDIT: I forgot to mention someone managed to rickroll everyone on page 6 and it totally wasn't me KEKW
[quote=Kkntucara]Why not let him talk? Its not like its gonna kill anyone and it will let us understand more about the person we are talking about.[/quote]
@Kkntucara This is a public forum, so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to in the first place. In fact @Merl_ here has been trying to achieve this exact thing for a few hours too, so we're all ears
And if anyone thinks he shouldn't: are you seriously gonna miss the chance to see him try to address this pandemonium of a thread? Let's be real, either you're interested in hearing his side of the story or you're just here sittin' with popcorn in hand, either way it's a win
You'll find this thread relevant: https://www.speedrun.com/The_Site/thread/hsdy3
[quote=MrMonsh]You can manually change your username yourself through the settings in your profile.
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[quote=Khntucara]Also, talking about small games, I thought Id add that the way jaypin finds many of the new games (afaik) is by refreshing the “recently added games” page until something new shows up so sometimes he is earlier than anyone else running a level which rules out the possibility of plagiarism for those cases[/quote]
The thing is, the reason the 4 offending runs in question were hard to trace was exactly because the original runs were not listed on speedrun.com at the time of Jaypin's submission, so it's anyone's guess whether a run is really his or not if there's nothing in the video itself to actually prove that fact.
That is exactly the reason I suggested enforcing these recommended new submission restrictions to his old runs, otherwise he'll forever be carrying that bag of distrust on his back. In my opinion, it'd be way better for him personally to start on a clean slate rather than to continue building on top of shaky ground, as rough as that may sound. I also suspect that won't only apply to the affected communities but to himself as well, as he won't have to be constantly worrying about one of his old runs getting hit for no other reason than "distrust". That would only sour the hobby even more for him too.
Just deal with the issue now, make sure that you agree which runs stay and which ones don't with the mods, and proceed from there. If all of them need to go, so be it.
Ok, I guess imma give my honest (and meme-free) opinion on the situation:
I truly consider that Jaypin should have stayed banned for the time being. Why? Well, the thing is that by stealing runs, he has lost all the trust he could have possibly had before, and so far nothing has really changed to accomodate for him coming back:
• Aside from the 4 proven offending runs, none of his runs have been hit (at least not hit from the site itself but by individual mods preemptively striking them). • His moderation roles have not been hit. • His apology video seems to be unconvincing at best and intentionally deceptive at worst. • Worst of all, no restrictions to his submissions have been put in place.
Literally nothing has changed for there to be grounds to give a "second chance", yet he got unbanned with no public notice from the site or anything to acknowledge why. So why do I see surprised faces when individual game mods are thus stepping up to protect their own leaderboards due to their concerns? It's only a natural reaction: right now Jaypin is very clearly a liability for any leaderboard, and it's in a moderator's best interest to make sure they don't get swamped with fakes.
Trust is something that takes a long time to be earned and very little to be lost. At this point, Jaypin has to accept he has lost all trust, and regaining it now is a pretty tall order (and there should be no doubt in his mind that it's not going to happen overnight). While most communities have probably already made up their mind about this issue and probably won't accept Jaypin back, here's one possible way I personally think it might be an acceptable offer:
• As I mentioned before, he was unbanned with no restrictions whatsoever, which I consider to be 100% out of the question (unless the site is restracting the ban because they didn't believe the evidence, which doesn't seem to be the case at first glance). • Thus, Mr. Jaypin should be now subjected to special restrictions on his submissions, and any runs he submits showing anything short of him playing the game in real-time (i.e. showing a clear image of him playing + the screen + his inputs) should be 100% rejected. He now should have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it's actually him playing the game. • With this in mind, all of his old runs should be subjected to the same standard, since we have no way to know when this started. You think this is too harsh? Well, news flash: recovering from a (proven) plagiarism accusation is hard. If he truly wants to recover trust, revising his old runs is step 0.
Even if the restrictions never come directly from the site or game mods themselves, I'd actually encourage Jaypin to take it upon themselves to follow them of their own volition. Actions speak louder than words, and that course of action would say more than a 1000 apology videos ever could. I don't need to hear you be sorry, I need to know what your plan is to fix this situation.
Finally, I'll take the liberty to remind those who disagree with a permaban that even in the event he'd just stayed permabanned, that wouldn't be the end of the world either, since he could still speedrun outside of this site. A ban on this site is not equal to a ban on speedrunning.
If Mr. Jaypin truly cares about speedrunning and found himself unable to come back here, he could very well still speedrun privately or even upload it to youtube/twitch and gain a boatload of viewers for it, he just wouldn't be able to submit it here in order to prevent further tarnishing of leaderboards. Even in the event he refused to speedrun outside the site, he could still take the lesson learned from the whole situation for future endeavors, so either way he would still stand to gain something from it.
tl;dr: I think he should have stayed banned under current conditions, but even if he's unbanned, he should seriously get special restrictions in place for his submissions (showing him on camera doing the input + clear image of the screen) or at the very least a warning should have been issued for game mods.
We're no strangers to runs You know the rules, and so do I A permaban's what I'm thinking of You would get this from any other guy
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling Gotta make you understand
I'm really gonna give you up I'm really gonna let you down I'm really gonna keep running on and desert you I'm really gonna make you cry You've really gotta say goodbye 'Cos you're gonna tell a lie and hurt us
Well, that's actually really nice to know! That's one more point where Normal and Difficult are yet again identical.
While the hearts healing you for 2 HP are actually annoying for this skip in particular, it does mean that you could have a potentially easier time for the rest of the game if you're a scrub like me, so being able to do the skip in Normal too is a bit of a godsend. Thanks for the info! :)
