Ontario, CanadaDidn't cry during that game @Klashik but It was sad. and enjoyable.
First time I played NieR , every time after that when I skip cutscenes during the runs, every time I think about thinking about it. FF Crisis Core pretty much through out the cutscenes and end. Probably allot more but those after the tops.
Alternatively you can use your pc to recapture the recording that you sent from the console and just time over it afterwards using OBS for example to put it onto the video and just upload that version of the recording. Not the best method but it works if you got no other way to do it.
Get OBS to capture the twitch vod and then in OBS capture the Splits and just re-time over the vod and save it or upload it.
For the Chapter 1-6 and 1-11 runs they should be RTA and start on "Start" of the first chapter where it would begin timing and end on the opening if the boss chest of the last chapter for those Runs. Edited¤ I understand what you mean about timing just from the IL's and adding the total time together but thats sorta like doing a segmented run and then why not just do the IL's if you want to use the IGT. The longer runs like Chapters 1-6 or 1-11 should Remain True to RTA and include things like menuing and such but the connectivity thing well thats just something we have to learn to deal with exclusively as part of the COOP experience of the game. As for loading being a difference between the 360 and Ps3 and other major differences We could just have them separated by not allowing System Overrides so that both 360 and or PS3 runs can be show for any players that would for instance run both and get different times on each. Alternatively a Subcategory can be made after the Main Category and before the other Sub categories nested in them to separate the consoles entirely.
This should be fairly easy to implement now that the Boards have a much easier to navigate and sorted layout, making these adjustments and changes should be fairly straight forward and just be set to add a default to all runs and then go and manually fix that if needed to prevent lost or re-categorized runs.
I've had allot of time to learn how to manipulate the boards layouts to get these sorta things to work or be changed fairly easily after lots of testing and trail and error so I know this is achievable else we wouldn't have the current layout which makes is fairly easy to submit any run for pretty much the entirety of the base game with or without DLC of whatever point in the runners progress with it. And being that Changes should be easy to do now with a bit of thought and knowing what settings to enable or disable for using sub categories which is the only real difficult part of making things look neater and having the ability to hide categories with no runs temporarily or non-general categories for challenges etc.
For the rta times and not IL if we are timing from the menu start it should end on the menu aka results screen. IL levels are timed on their own with the time ending on gold chest open as u said. It makes sense for rta to either have it start and end the same or we start the time as soon as the first stage does and end on the last stage at chest open. U mention that chapter 6 after its complete it has credits this is only for fresh NG files on normal if I remember correctly so as I suggested that timing would work better for NG+ especially for 1-6 and 1-11.
Timing for chapter 1-6 or 1-11 runs should always start when you start the first stage by hitting "start game" as it currently does, and timing ends once you get to the results screen of the last stage.
well having NG and NG+ separated with lets say a sub category makes more sense so that both types of people can do the runs like ch 1-6 or ch 1-11 in any combination regardless of their dlc standing with what ever they have. I know that I have all the DLC for the game but some people that may want to get into the game or others that already have the base game may not have access to getting the dlc or become limited due to this. So allowing anyone at any standard to play regardless if they have gotten farmed enough for NG+ or those with vanilla of the game can still do runs with the desired characters in both solo or coop. I'm trying to think about the majority of people and newcomers as well.
Trying to have a more organized board to allow everyone to submit runs of what ever standing of play for the game they can do is the idea and if its set up with being able to adjust or add new categories or removed them without losing organization later on or possibly orphan runs later on when we have more it should not have that much of an impact on anything. Also any categories that are empty for the time being can be hidden to simplify the look using the misc setting as it can temporarily hide categories that are not active enough or are not the main focus of the overall game.
I would not suggest limiting characters or gear choices tho for NG+ on hard only and that NG be from a clean file on normal only.
Any chance of having ng+ available fir ch 1-6 as well instead of just ch 1-11 for solo and coop? Not everyone will have the dlc so it would further limit other ppl. Plus ch 1-6 runs would be a better start for ppl then jumping on the pain train of ch 1-11 runs in general. The boards could be simpler with cleaver use of the subcategories setting in the extra/variables btw as it will be useful for easily changing or adding things.
Eg. Subcategory labeled as difficulty with options normal or hard for full game and levels instead of the current way. The rules only needin to be written to the specific category or sub as it displays them together when selecting an actual category be it full game or level. Just an example.
I agree with turbo it's best to keep things simple and not exile possible players and the idea of going fast. If ideas for other categories come up or more challenging run types and ppl do them they should be easy enough to add if the boards are set up for that down the road.
Rules of all the Main categories have changed, the Japanese version will be added as separate categories when runs are submitted for the games current categories in which they will be moved. There will be some variance in the versions but getting your in-game time will be different for ps3 version runs.
I'd love to get into these runs being that I already have a file pretty well farmed to do some but If i was to do coop its sorta off putting to do coop runs if we are not allowed to run characters even if same that we practiced more. perhaps a way to allow this if not no big deal I just won't bother with coop runs then.
I added the BFO / Bare Fists Only category under misc it will focus on the hardest difficulty for the challenge purposes the rules should be pretty clear if not let me know if you have questions.
I will be adding a new rule to runs that have a time in any of the categories under 10:30 to also require milliseconds in the submitted times as I'm seeing people rounding submission times up. I personally time each submission multiple times for accuracy and if the submitted times are not close enough to the times I get they either get adjusted or if they are too far off they will be rejected. If you have a run that you think has a discrepancy please DM either in the Discord or Twitter. If we need to start including splits in the future then that will be requirement for all runs.
I would like to just say I'm very happy with the number of submissions in the last almost 2 weeks at the time of writing this. I would like to just clarify somethings tho about when we submit runs to be verified;
Please allow at least 2 to 7 days for submissions, I tend to wait a few days to go over the runs a few at a time since I do re-time runs and like to talk with the person(s) about their submission(s) and to make sure everything is good.
Another reason for me wanting to do it a few times a few rather then each day is because I do have a real job that pays for everything I do, I hope that we can all respect that we have lives outside speedrunning games.
One last note is that I will try and continue to do a sorta weekly or biweekly update on runs that were submitted so that we all can see them and talk about the most current runs being done, I think it's fun and lets us see what we have been working hard on.
As an additional Side note, If and when we gain more runners and more submissions come in either for the Demo or the full game going forward More moderators will be added as necessary please do not ever feel like I'm not paying attention I read the Discord frequently and if I do miss something feel free to let me know myself and you all are only human and not an android. <3
Have Fun speedrunning the demo and eventually the full game.
~ MASH
In the case of submitting games played on newer console hardware officially that could affect time, generally you would juse make sure that the proper console was selected for what it was played on. An example of the ps1 games either being played as a digital psn version to the actual game disc playing in a ps3 there may be some slight difference in load times but from my current testing it's not noticeable for most of the games. I would just make sure that you possibly mention in the comments if it was played as the official digital version or physical if there would be a discrepancy. The official digital versions of the psn games are pretty much an exact rip of the on disc iso so there is almost 0 difference when it comes to psn versions over the physical. But as for all other games that have a official digital version there has been some slight differences I know this from all lot of the xbl titles that were brought over onto the 360 as an example for altered beast it played allot faster and smoother then the Genesis version does. But it's not counted as emulation because it's done using official hardware and not 3rd party. So it would just be marked with the submission as what ever hardware it was played off.
Been awhile since I've updated these forums, The NieR: Automata - DEMO boards are up: http://www.speedrun.com/NieR_Automata_-_DEMO
And we have joined up with the Reddit community and are sharing a Discord server. =)
If you have interest in running the Automata Demo then submit your runs to the link above.
Join the Discord here: https://discord.gg/EtGWDuW
In recent talk over on the Discord chat, some people brought up some small talk about having the timer shown or not. Considering how short the game is for the demo having the timer shown is not an issue if you can do it then it helps out allot with giving myself and others reference points during the run and a better assurance of the timing accuracy. I will continue to time runs regardless if they have a timer with the vod or not as it helps with the Accuracy of the runs time. The full game tho will most likely require the timer be shown for the purpose of reference points during the run being more important. The alternative for those who cannot show a timer will be required to submit their split times for that run with the break down to help with the referencing. We will get to more of those specifics for the full game when the time comes.
Anyways have fun Running the demo looking forward to more runs and improvements.
There was an update to the requirements for run submissions to include the difficulty selection in the vod as of earlier today. And the rules were more clearly rewritten also please be aware that when you get to the mission briefing screen wait about 10-15 seconds before you start the run to allow the background loading to finish to prevent extra time being added to your runs from loading the first cutscene.
Have fun speedrunning. ~ MASH
