You're right, it would require everyone running with this mod. We're close (laughs) to the patch anyway

We never brought this up but should we allow or ban black market mod fix in vanilla speedruns ?

We always ran vanilla in his current state but since we don't allow t judas/converter runs because it will be fixed in the patch, it can make sense to allow the bugfix mod because it will also be fixed.

What do you think ?

rules have been updated

Should we include tainteds in 1 Char category ? I remember not including them because we talked about a potential 1 Tainted Char category but now, 1 Tainted char feels pointless

Part of me would accept since historically we always had 3-4 main categories + jud6s/r+ + misc and we always got an all chars category.

Pros : adding categories can incite people to run them Cons : this time all chars is 3 times longer than AB+ so i don't think we will have a lot of people running it

So i don't know

Yeah like 100% categories, there won't be a category for this unless several people run it (let's say 4 for this big run)

Should tainted chars be included in 1 Char or should they be in another category ?

And for the craziest people, they will try sac rooms with tainted maggy and no hit tainted eden with some OP things like Mercurius or Void/Mega mush so yeah maybe 7 doesn't make it free

I thought of banning Eden but Rep brought Magdalene as a grindable char. I think people will pick both and play them first but it doesn't matter because if you have a good first char, the second can take some time and can ruin the first. So if they pick both, the grind can be long but rewarding and if they pick only Eden or Magdalene, it will be slower but more fun to grind. It's perfect balance for people who wants fun and people who wants fast times

The game is becoming harder than before and the original 7 char can be a pain/not fun to grind now. I know original 7 chars are tradition but i think that should change.

So i think you should be able to play on the 7 chars you want to play, like Hades where you can pick the 3 weapons you want.

Also that means there will be no 11-13/17 chars. It's not like those categories were a lot run anyway and i think everyone will focus on r+ categories.

So i think we should let people pick the chars they wanna play so even if the meta change at some point it will not matter in the future.

Also since the tainted chars are harder, what about 5 tainted chars instead of 7 ? 7 was a great number in previous dlcs but now i feel like it's more convenient with this dlc

Yes but i think we should discuss of that later. We don't know anything about the meta. Depending of the meta and after good knowledge of the game, we can determine which chars are the best. 7 Chars will help us determine that

Done for all DLCs. Let me know if there's any errors

You need to differenciate speedrun and casual. Vanilla game is fun to play, vanilla speedruns are not because we don't play the same way. We care about RNG way more than in casual because we don't only need to win, we need to win fast. There always was a war between casuals and speedrunners because they don't understand that point and casuals find the game too easy so they want it to be harder (which is bad for speedruns)