Alright, that makes sense. Works for me! And yeah, it shouldn't matter so much anyway, at least for any%, if only because it's so long that I can't see it coming down to seconds.

About when to start the timer, also, I just couldn't get it consistent, starting it when you can move after the fade in too. It'd be close but could easily be as much as a second off. I would much rather it be changed to confirming after player creation but I might be the minority here. I'd just like to gauge some opinions on this.

Just finished some initial routing actually. Took me about 2 hours to run through, not actually trying to get a good time.

From start to the last Ronin mission, my splits are:

SR1 Jailbreak SR2 Appointed Defender Races for 1 level of respect SR3 Down payment IF till lvl 3 Demo Derby for 6 lvls (take a taxi to the crib right next to this marker) SR4 Three Kings Ronin 1 Saints Seven Ronin 2 Laundry Day Suburbs Strip Club Stronghold Ronin 3 Road Rage Ronin 4 Bleeding Out Foreign Power here to increase respect and because buying a car is faster to get to the next Stronghold Humbolt Park Science Museum Stronghold Amberbrook Museum Pier Stronghold Ronin 5 Orange Threat Level Ronin 6 Kanto Connection Ronin 7 Visiting Hours Ronin 8 Room Service Ultor Dome Fight Club for however levels until you reach lvl 3 respect Ronin 9 Rest In Peace New Hennequet Rec Center Stronghold Ronin 10 Good D Ronin 11 One Man's Junk

Despite there being 4 levels after UDFC, you'll gain plenty of respect in RIP, NHRC, and Good D because there's just so many enemies to kill. I got 4 levels in my run through and it was clearly unnecessary. I would have only had to do lvl 1 and 2 FC at that point.

For all the other Misc% runs, I'd imagine they'd all be the same up until the Demo Derby.

I really want to find some skips in this game too. Anything to make the pace move faster. I'm sure we can get a sub 130 in, at least, the Ronin%.

Gonna start routing Ronin% now that I just did some Any% routing. My initial thoughts are that I won't go for the Tornado, too. It probably won't be worth the time it takes to get, in the long run.

Just finished exams and finished doing my own route for Any%, just to compare at the very least. I'll write it up here and we can compare strats and decisions.

I finished (not an actual run but a lot of sitting and thinking about efficiencies) with an IGT of 6:11 and 62% done. I hit near 0 respect (had to do 1 tag at the end to get the full amount) at the end too.

Anyways...here goes

SR1 SR2 Races SR3 Tornado IF till lvl 3 Revelations SR4 (in tornado) Samedi 1 (in tornado) Foreign Power to buy a car (in tornado, immediately afterwards) UD FC (use tornado, cause we're right there) Prison FC (obviously use tornado to get to) Fuzz (in tornado, after save warping) Get Kobras Ronin 1 --from this point on, I can't remember if I used a tornado for the missions or not. Ronin 2 Suburbs Strip Club Stronghold Ronin 3 Samedi 2 Samedi 3 Ronin 4 FP to buy another car Humbolt Park Science Museum Stronghold Samedi 4 Stilwater Caverns Brotherhood 1 Brotherhood 2 Sommerset Apartments Stronghold Brotherhood 3 Brotherhood 4 Imperial Square Pagodas Samedi 5 Samedi 6 Brotherhood 5 Ronin 5 Wardill Airport Hangers Stronghold Brotherhood 6 Samedi 7 Ronin 6 Bavogian Plaza Drug Labs Stronghold Samedi 8 Amberbrook Museum Pier Stronghold Ronin 7 Samedi 9 Ronin 8 Brotherhood 8 Stilwater University Student union Stronghold Demo Derby Sunnyvale Gardens Fishing Docks Stronghold Samedi 10 Elysian Fields Trailer Park Stronghold Ronin 9 New Hennequet Rec Center Stronghold Ronin 10 Brotherhood 9 Samedi 11 Brotherhood 10 Ronin 11 Brotherhood 11 Ultor 1 Rounds Square Shopping Center Stronghold Ultor 2 Ultor 3 Ultor 4

I'm sure this isn't entirely optimized but I think it's pretty decent and when we compare to what we have it'll get even better. RNG can easily affect the Respect so I'll probably need to put in another 3 levels or so of Mayhem close to the end.

EDIT: I forgot how your splits actually went until I just looked again. You do almost all of Samedi and Ronin before any Brotherhood. I'm not sure if that's more efficient or not but there's some things I take advantage of between the two that might save some time. For instance, Brotherhood's imperial square pagodas are pretty close to Samedi 5, Burning Down the House. And Brotherhood 6, Thank You and Good Night, lets out almost directly next to Samedi 7, Bonding Experience. And one more is that Brotherhood 9, The Enemy of My Enemy give you rockets that makes the last Samedi mission a breeze and you still have plenty for ...And A Better Life.

It just sucks to start the Brotherhood because they're so far away from everything else but there really isn't a good chance, even with Samedi 8 being right there.

But yeah, those are my strats for now. Do you see anything that could be improved upon? Anything I should be taking from Sellz's route? I do something way different with regards to Revelations and buying cars and I have no idea what's better and don't even know how to time that. Both work pretty well, IMO. I plan on recording some time between Christmas and New Year's, with any luck, so maybe my route will be clearer then, too.

Alright. I'll do some runs that way to see how it stacks up against starting on confirming player creation, since that was how I've been starting my timer.

Haha you'll have to chill for at least a few more weeks, til after xmas, to have a video from me. I can start routing now but I'm pretty swamped until finals/projects are over. Btw, I don't really have a preference of what gang I'd run first. Do you?

When does the timer start for these games? On hitting the button after player creation? Or some time later?

Sure thing! So it pretty much decided, at least for now, that we'll start at NG?

Gotcha. I'll probably put a little effort into them in a couple weeks. I probably won't stream or even have a good enough run to stream until after xmas but I'll be sure to give a heads up when the time comes.

I'll explain some of my personal preferences (after thinking on it for all of 5 minutes)

1. I'd prefer NG but for NG+, the following would apply
2. After 3 kings
3. I feel like once the fastest time is set, it'll essentially be homogeneous anyway. In that sense, I'd like to it be heterogeneous because then we'll be encouraged to try new things and have them still count as WR
4. We should have all the levels of respect needed
5. I'd say any rewards would be acceptable. That also keeps in the spirit of NG+, imo.
6. yes, definitely
7. any cars or boats desired 8 ) Any weapons desired.

My reasons for these answers is that it places fewer restrictions and it'll be a pure "how fast can you finish these missions using anything possible" kind of feel. It could reduce RNG in what kind of cars and such are encountered and stored.

Oh I know what it stands for but we'll discuss specifics in the thread that Sellz opened :)

I was thinking that, for Ronin%, Samedi%, etc, it'd start from the very beginning, same as the others. What would NG+ mean specifically?

That actually sounds pretty awesome! Similar to the Trevor%, etc. categories for gta5. I agree that runs are kinda long so that'd make things pretty sweet. I'm kind of in the same boat with school so that totally appeals to me, though I'd definitely wanna run the full game as well when I can.

ughhh I wanna get back to filling out my route as well so I can compare!! I started like 2 weeks ago, now and have been busy since. Just another week or so till I get a break! cmoooooon. So far, I'm doing more activities earlier, after S1 (and doing Revelations earlier) but I think I have generally the same route up till the Science Museum. I haven't decided if I should do the Pier Stronghold after that or not, since it might be better to hold off.

I also am not sure if tags are worth it. I feel like the first level of any activity would be faster than doing the equivalent of the tags.

haha i suppose that's true. Only reason I say WR is that I think that you can totally make the case that it's the fastest time just between us because I bet we're the only runners ever and if we accept it(as I would) then it's okay. :P

But yeah, I know what you mean. Somehow forgot that sub-5 on IGT != sub 5 RTA... lol

Not a bad idea! And congrats on the sub 5 PB/WR :)

Mayhem is comparable but I found it might get a little iffy, depending on the areas your in. I had a hard time in Suburbs and flew low, hitting a lot of poles, and had to grab a tornado again. It could be fast with practice and knowing where the best areas are.

Good to hear the run went well besides some hiccups!

I probably won't be able to put in anymore work until after this week and maybe not for some time after that. The end of the semester approaches and I have some work to put in before classes end. I fully intend to do some more runs after (at the very latest) Dec. 15th.

Ah okay. That's definitely a good start!

Quick note. it was much faster using the Tornado in Ronin 3 but after Ronin 2, it was a haul to get the Tornado up there. I'm thinking of taking a taxi up to Samedi 2. The Tornado isn't THAT much faster that makes it worth it to save warp, drive to the helipad, grab it, land, and start the mission.