SwitzerlandOkay, then what's everyone's opinion on this? BJ or no BJ as default value for ILs?
I grouped the subcategories for full runs and ILs into one variable respectively, with each subcategory being a value. Then I assigned each of these values (subcategories) a rule. Just check it out under Edit Game. I know I basically jsut restated what you asked, but that's literally all I did.
Alright, I gave the IL leaderboards the same layout. However, there is a bit of a problem, because I set No BJ as a default value (as this is what most people would submit it as), but that makes the No BJ category the "primary" category being displayed in the IL Any% leaderboards overview, which I think is a bit misleading, because BJ times are faster and are "true" Any%. In my opinion, BJ ILs should be shown first (because we actually have BJ runs to show), but that means they would be the default value.
Maybe I still don't have the hang of the edit section, so there could be an option I've overlooked.
I know, I just said that the variable option is off the table, forget about it. :)
By sorting out, you mean they should have the same layout as the full run leaderboard now has, or do you have something else in mind?
IBJ opens up so many possibilities that I think it warrants its own category. Routes involving the IBJ basically start to differ significantly once you have two weapons. Don't mind the BJ variable suggestion, it was just something I came up with on the spot to minimize the amount of categories/leaderboards. To be honest, I'm pretty happy with how the leaderboards look now compared to how they were before. From what I've heard, BJ category won't be empty for too long. Adding Glitchless as a subcategory should definitively happen.
Making Segmented a misc. category sounds good to me as well. However, I don't know if more people will find the runs when they're in a misc. category rather than if they were in the forums, because personally, I knew about the forums, but not about misc. categories until not too long ago. I don't mind either way.
I posted your list in a different thread before, and I think it does need some additions/clarifications, but it's a good starting point. Your segmented run will obviously not be touched because it's your private project, and even if you want to submit to the leaderboards, it should still be fine, because I assume that we we would rather allow some tricks that you didn't use rather than ban things you did use, because your rules seem to be somewhat conservative.
Maybe the glitchless ruleset should be discussed in its own thread?
It's still a variable for ILs. It's not a variable for full runs because we don't have a ruleset for Glitchless as of now, and there have not been any submissions/suggestions regarding glitchless runs. There was a Glitches variable before, but it said "yes" for all runs anyway because nobody ever submitted a glitchless run. I'll add it as a subcategory (as mentioned above) for full runs once there's a ruleset and/or interest in such a category. As I said, I actually want to have a discussion about the rules of that category.
The leaderboards have changed a bit now, but unfortunately most of the Any% runs were lost. I tried to find as many as possible on my own, but I know there are still some missing, so if you don't find your run on the leaderboards now, please resubmit it.
Don't worry, I'm not trying to litter the leaderboards or force new categories, the primary goal is to make them more appealing, easier to understand and actually less convoluted. It just seems like a good opportunity to address potential wishes for new/different categories. I'd obviously do some test runs/routes so we could see and judge accordingly if the respective proposal warrants a separate/new category. :)
The Problem with having two subcategories for Any% is that we end up in the same place as we are now - one category will be empty, and it is the "default" category (as Any% No BJ is a restriction). I don't mind either way, and I'm actually a big fan of the subcategory thing, I just want to avoid keeping the empty category thing alive.
I would still take the segmented runs out of the leaderboards, as these are more like entire projects and less runs, but if need be, we can still keep them as another subcategory.
All Levels/Segment End Screens (not a definitive name, just a description) is getting all the level summaries (e.g. reaching Vilcabamba, and you get the Mountain Caves summary with time, kills, etc.). It's basically 100% without getting all relics and artifacts, and is something we came up with during one of Moonfane's recent streams. No OoB would be a pretty different run from both glitchless and normal Any%, it's just a restriction that could make for an interesting run, I haven't tested it or anything, I just tried to come up with something on the spot to give some examples of what people might find interesting. ;)
The TRA leaderboards have been pretty disorganized for quite some time now, dating back to the IBJ discovery. To grant competition for people not able to perform it and because of the potentially big impact of IBJ, the no BJ categories were added. Since nobody submitted a run with IBJ ever since, the Any%/100% leaderboards have been empty the whole time. With the current state and direction of speedrunning, segmented runs seem to be far less important than some years ago. Segmented runs take a long time to complete and optimize and thus aren't really submitted or meant to be on a leaderboard. There has also been an increasing interest in extending the categories offered on the leaderboards, most notably regarding glitchless speedruns.
To adress the empty Any% category, I've moved Any% no BJ to the top of the categories list to make it the default category. This is only a temporal solution. What I'd like to do here is discuss what everyone wants the leaderboards to look like, to make them and running this game more appealing.
Some suggestions to start the discussion: ¤ Remove Any% no BJ and 100% no BJ as categories, instead add BJ as a variable to the leaderboards. ¤ Remove Segmented categories from the leaderboards, instead collect them in a (sticky) forums thread. ¤ Remove Glitched as a variable from the leaderboards, instead add Glitchless category/categories or subcategory/subcategories (and discuss its/their ruleset). ¤ Add new categories according to suggestions/discussion (e.g. All Levels/Segment End Screens, No OOB)
Thanks for participating!
Great! Maybe the rules should hint at the usage of the load remover for the respective time in the leaderboards as well.
In light of the recent loading time differences, the idea of an autosplitter has been considered. I have no clue about this topic, but we wanted to ask before proceeding too far: Would such an autosplitter be allowed if it had to use a 3rd party program to read the game's memory? For further discussion, there is also a Discord which can be joined here: https://discord.gg/0pjZp0ShyPFtXqGx
Hey there!
You can look at it in the way of Any% being the most general category, with the other ones having restrictions which your runs needs to uphold for it to "qualify" to appear on those leaderboards instead. Any% no BJ does not allow the usage of a glitch called "Bug Jump", and since you said that you didn't use any glitches, the run would qualify as Any% no BJ as it is unlikely that you performed a bug jump without knowing about it.
Basically, as soon as someone uses a bug jump, his run does not qualify as Any% no BJ anymore and has thus to be moved to the Any% category. I know this is somewhat confusing because the Any% leaderboard is empty for now, but even if you would have submitted it as Any%, we could have still moved it to the correct category, so don't worry about it. :)
Regarding glitchless, I was planning to transfer the two segmented categories into this forum as separate threads because I don't think they are the kind of categories that really warrant a leaderboard status. They are basically more like projects than runs. Right now these categories are basically used as archives and not as leaderboards.
The thing about glitchless categories is that in most cases they require a lot of discussions regarding the ruleset as some tricks are considered glitches by some people while others don't think they are. Taeruhs has posted his own ruleset a while ago on the tombrunner forums, but he stopped his glitchless runs so we never really got to see how well his ruleset worked out. His description reads as follows:
"Tricks NOT used were: . Infinite jumps bug (IJB - f.k.a. UBJ); . Airwalk; . Back handspring or left roff to reach "unreachable" high areas; . FPS dependant tricks that look like glitches (e.g. using irregular slopes to make Lara float); . Delayed Swandive; . Any trick which involves making Lara step on something that's obviously not a solid surface (e.g. using the fence shortcut in Croft Manor's maze)"
As you can see, some cases are obvious glitches and some of them are both in a grey area and they are difficult to define in a concise and good way. Seeing how you are the only runner who would submit a glitchless run right now, what's the way you defined your "glitchless" run? Maybe we can work something out here.
Hi!
Everyone in the community involved with this game is about as convinced as it gets that niepanh's run uses some kind of script and is not done all by himself. He uses a variation of the infinite bug jump (IBJ) that doesn't involve switching weapons and requires near perfect inputs in very rapid succession. After running a script ourselves that was still slower than his run, we decided to hide/reject his run until the situation is resolved. He also did not reply to our messages up until now, so we will have to wait. As far as I know, Taeruhs is working on an Any% run so the category shouldn't be empty for too long.
Great! It would be neat if the uploaded files could be tested for operability.
Practicing specific parts of a run can be a bit of a hassle when running Transistor due to autosaving on the selected profile being the only save mechanism. While learning and practicing the current Low% route, I gathered 2 sets of 5 profiles, each one at a major location (before big skips, important fights and so on). I wanted to ask if it would be a good idea to upload these in the resources section as it would get rid of having to do a fresh run to the desired part of the run which you want to practice. Using these files is pretty easy, as you can simply overwrite your current saves (location: http://steamcommunity.com/app/237930/discussions/1/540743128802595639/#c540742485347814006 ).
If everyone is fine with it I could do the same thing for Any% which would probably be more useful as that is the more popular category.
Perfect! Undoing the movement was what I was missing, so thanks for mentioning that. The rest worked like a charm as well.
