the map was like 20 to 1... seems swayed, huh? How about, you accept that the community voted no now, and say in a month or two's time, continue this and do another strawpoll!

The map I literally just threw it out there when Craftain was talking about Any% and people liked it so I made a strawpoll..

Also regardless the due date for the strawpoll is the 21st

I asked maxi a few months back :P But if the strawpoll doesn't change and no wins by the 21st, and you still don't like it, bring it up in a few months where the community's views might change

My say on this mess is it should be allowed, but if the majority wants it banned then ban it, and if the ban makes things worse then repeal it.

Put the pieces together. There are two people who have given "reasons" for why Autojump should be disallowed. Their reasons were as follows: People would need to play on Minecraft versions 1.10+, it takes away skill, and everyone can make slab boosts now. All of which are invalid reasons.

I'm absolutely not saying this is a reason, however, Thunder did in fact advertise the strawpolls on his latest video (which I support), but he also gave his choices for the polls (fans tend to vote the same as whoever they are a fan of, Thunder has fans). As Dafatman said, when we went to bed, the vote was 7/1 in favour of allowing Autojump. When we woke up, it was like 20/8 in favour of disallowing Autojump in runs. The fact that only two people are actually speaking out about why it should be disallowed is honestly somewhat concerning. It makes me think the poll was botted in favour of disallowing Autojump.

My opinion on this matter is to allow Autojump. There have been 3 reasons shared for why it should be disallowed, all of which are invalid. There are only two people actually speaking out about it. 3/3 Mods support it.

Please, anyone with any more reasons as to why it should be disallowed, speak up. We would love to hear some more reasons.

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Why are we concluding Thunder advertised/botted? Fatty said he'll give the people who voted no 3 days to respond to be sure it isn't a bot or advertising.

Nothing is concluded. That was simply my view and opinion on the situation we have present, Maxi.

looked back, misread it, my bad.

I did not do anything except put it in my comments, if the people did want it, they would have voted yes... it is up to the community as this is meant to be a community game, not just what 3 of you want the whole time. Keep in mind that when Fatty went to bed, he probably only just made it. I only saw it when I woke up, so must many of the other EU / AU players. The community is not just US anymore, there are more AU and EU than US. I don't see why you can't accept that the community said no and if you REALLY want to, do another poll in a few months. The community has said no at this current moment in time...

Strawpolls don't make the decision in something as game changing as Autojump, as Strawpolls are very easy to become inaccurate from VPN's, people not thinking for themselves, or people not actually seeing the strawpoll and thus their view on the matter would not be counted. It's most likely that Autojump will be allowed with the current state of this conversation, as there have only been three "reasons" as to why Autojump should be disallowed in Speedruns, all of which were simply invalid. Not to mention, if there were "32" people to vote "No" on Autojump, how come there are only two people who have said anything, anything at all about the situation? The pieces don't add up. Hence why Strawpolls are only a form of changing the Mods mind before implementation. The community is, in fact, >50% US players at the moment, so the fact that 20 votes were put in overnight after the poll had already been up for a few hours, simply doesn't make any sense. You say "if the people did want it, they would have voted yes..." as if everyone who came from your comments voted on their own accord, with their own thought out & educated opinion on the matter. Personally, I see this as being highly unlikely. It's been proven that fans tend to agree with whoever they're a fan of on almost every occasion. You, having over 500 subscribers, certainly have some fans. My point being, a strawpoll doesn't make a decision. We use strawpolls to simply gather an idea of the acceptance of the idea. We also look at things like flaws, and reasons not to add it. So far, you guys aren't doing so well with that. There may be 30+ votes for "No" in the Strawpoll, but you guys have no actual reasons for why it shouldn't be allowed. That's not very convincing if you asked me. I would be perfectly fine accepting that Autojump is simply not wanted from the community, under valid reasoning. However, until those who voted no, including yourself, are able to provide some actual reasoning behind your answer, there's a great chance Autojump is still being added. Also, keep in mind, I don't even speedrun Dragon Escape anymore. I'm trying to be as fair & reasonable as I can.

as I said before, no one has the need to get a speedrun account if they just watch wrs and play for fun... You are going against the majority of the community? Are you asking for everyone to quit? Why would you want to go on to 1.10 JUST for DE anyway... the PvP is aids on 1.10 (the mechanics when they are put to 1.8 make pvp shit) and the 1.10 games are utter wank. It defeats the point of speed running if half is already done for you. All you will need to do is aim right then jump, which anyone can do. There's a reason why TAC is the best at the moment, he can boost well, execute strats and not get stuck (and his leaps help). THAT separates him from the likes of FASTASLIGHTNING. He is so god damn consistent and can finish the map almost every time but he CANNOT do these boosts, not get stuck etc. Fatty basically told several people to vote yes. I put a link in my comments and people decided to vote no. As I said before, the community doesn't want this decision made AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. There is no harm in bringing it up at a LATER DATE. I don't see why you can't accept people said no for now, then in a few months, when people come and go, see what we / they think again. This is probably the most drama - free way.

EDIT: Almost every EU player I asked today has said "no" ._. You are underestimating the amount of EU and AU players and overestimating the number of US players who play DE imo. I can understand that because most US players don't like going on EU and most EU players always play on US and you can't tell (same with AU).

1. As I said earlier, if they don't use speedrun.com, then why do they care whether speedrun.com bans autojump or not? Again, since they apparently don't use speedrun.com, that means they probably just speedrun for themselves, meaning they can just give themselves their own personal rules.

2. I never play on Minecraft to do multiple things; I don't grind WRs and pvp in the same session, and if you have a problem with playing in 1.10 for pvp and other things, then just switch when you're done parkouring.

3. Once again, making the game easier is NOT a reason to ban an intended feature of the game. Even if it makes the boosts of the game easier, that just means you have to be good at other things. Maybe there's a super boost you can do with autojump. IDK. The point is just because it makes the game easier doesn't mean it makes the game "easy". Even with autojump this game is still harder than a LOT of speedruns to this day, because you still have to perfect your movement. I don't understand why people are not getting this.

4. "Fatty basically told several people to vote yes. I put a link in my comments and people decided to vote no." If you're going to argue that what you did isn't telling people to say yes, then what I did isn't telling people to say yes either. I had a long argument with tac and then decided to create a strawpoll. I did not TELL anyone to vote in favor of allowing it. I may have persuaded, but I never told.

5. Why are you speaking for the entire community by saying it "doesn't want this decision made AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME" if they all voted and (apparently) have strong opinions about it.

6. How is it the case that almost every US player wants it allowed and almost every EU player wants it disallowed? That seems to be the case because after like 12 EST votes for "yes" started going back up. It doesn't make sense.

7. Reminder that it wouldn't be required and if you still want to not use autojump then go ahead, your incessant focus on world records is the reason you have an issue with this in the first place ;)

Jesus Christ

Just accept people said no this time. Do the damn thing in a few months. Why should you care if we have it on or not? You don't even play. The people who do voted

Are you still under the impression that a strawpoll which can easily become inaccurate is deciding whether a game changing feature is to be used or not? I understand & respect that the "majority" of the community disapproves of Autojump being allowed in runs, however, there are still many other factors to consider. My main issue with this mess is that despite over 30 votes for "No", there have still only been 3 reasons shared as to why Autojump should be disallowed, again, all of which are invalid. :/

reasons for it to be allowed: I Can only see one mentioned: Because it's part of the game

Another reason for the yes argument by zxMaxxz : "It makes the game easy" ._.

1. At least that reason is valid
2. Another reason could be that it allows more people to be good at the game and great players can be even greater so wrs can reach their max potential. Another one could be that it reduces the skill curve so more people would be willing to do it.
3. Maxx's argument is a repeat of 1 of the 3 that tiggz was talking about: "takes the skill out of the game"
4. It's a bad comparison because one is ping based but I like how your argument to ban RazorJ was that it made things harder but then the argument to ban autojump is that it makes things easier :okay_hand:

those leaps are impossible for people under 100 ping ...

Can we stop arguing, go ask the community on the game...

But, can you accept we said no for now, then do another poll later down the line? Why do you two care so much? you dont play :/