SwedenSaying "The game should have..." doesn't specify if its the game being played casually or if it being speedran. Since we are on a site for SPEEDRUNS, I would argue you would immediately think of the length of the speedrun not the casual playthrough.
However if you put it as you did in the quote (I have no idea on how to quote)
"The game [not the speedrun, the game] should have a reasonable length such as 5 minutes or longer"
it instantly become way clearer and easier to understand exactly what the "length" is referring towards.
and if you wanted to make it just a little more clear I think this is the best:
"The game casually [not the speedrun, the game being played casually] should have a reasonable length such as 5 minutes or longer"
((Could possibly remove the part in between [ ] ))
I personally think either of those works and SHOULD replace what is already on the "game request rules page". This also allow you to give a clearer answer when you reject games if they are too short by literally just copy pasting that line (if that is the reason the game is being rejected of course), it doesn't solve everything of course but I would consider it a step in the right direction on better communicating what the rules actually mean (for those who can be defined like this) since you would be updating the actual rule page instead of having to type out a comment every time someone misunderstands the current vague description like I apparently have done
I am curious on weather or not you guys watch the video that is required when submitting a game request (the SPEEDRUN) and then go to YouTube and type in the "title of the game" + playthrough to find out the length of a casual playthrough, because how else would you know if a game casually is longer or shorter than 5 minutes?
Since you only responded to my latest post and not the larger on I made. I am also curious if you have any input on what I wrote in the larger post.
Ruby: I fail to understand why you would limit a speedruns access to this site defined by the length of its casual playthrough. Our goal here is to speedrun the game not play it casually? Sure some people don't read the rules, yet some do and still do not fully understand them because they are so vague that you can pretty much interpret "short/trivial" however you want and you will never know which is true. Because it is never truly explained even after your game request is rejected and this leads to continuous posts asking why that's the case, so not updating the game request page or adding information to the game rejection messages are part of the reason these posts keep happening.. The fact it says in the rules "Short/trivial GAMES" doesn't really mean they care how long the game is casually and not its length when speedran. because if they wanted to know how long the game is casually well, they'd ask us to submit a casual playthrough and not a speedrun when we request the game no?
After reading both of these again: https://www.speedrun.com/requestgame?series= and https://www.speedrun.com/gamerequestrules I believe you got the 5 minute length from the second link under the category "Request Processing Details", but once again it is not specified if its the length of the speedrun or a casual playthrough.
Hey.
I feel like this is a rather weird rule:
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Short/Trivial Games -> this refers to games of an unreasonable length such as 5 minutes or below, or games that are not well known or of little importance. <-- posted by Ruby creator of this thread
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- Short/Trivial Games <-- what is in the actual page for game submissions --> https://www.speedrun.com/requestgame?series=
I'm only addressing "short/trivial games" and their "definition" as provided by Ruby nothing else
"Short" is well undefined so short can be either 1minute, 10minutes or 1hour depending on situation etc... As it doesn't directly say below 5minutes counts as "short" on the rules page I'm gonna assume you used "5 minutes" as an estimate. But having a rule that say a game won't be accepted if it is under a certain time, is well... wrong(?) since the point of speedrunning is to go as fast as possible by the rules defined by the category no? To say that a game won't be accepted if it has been optimized before being submitted is odd to me, you're indirectly asking people to record themselves playing the game casually as their submission, because maybe JUST maybe if they start trying to optimize the game they will find a glitch/skip that will take the game below 5 minutes. If they were to submit after having found that skip they would just be instantly rejected because the game became, well "fast/short". BUT if they don't optimize the game in anyway and just play it casually you'll be hit with a "it's not interesting rejection", so this is rather confusing. Or are you saying games below a certain time can't be speedran/competitive?
"Trivial" well Super Mario 64 is trivial to me... why is it here? (yes this is a joke but not really...) There are PLENTY of games out there that are practically unknown and will remain that forever since there is no place for them to grow, to build a community out of thin hair is really hard especially when the place to grow a community ABOUT speedruns is rejecting them saying it is insignificant. To have "your" game on speedrun.com isn't life or death, but it DEFINETLY will help the community for "your" game to grow. why? More people become aware and interested in speedruns everyday and do you know what the first thing that pops up when you search "speedrun" on google? Yes this site. This has become the GO TO place for speedruns and if someone is searching for speedruns of a game this is the best place for it, because if you search for a game here and you find it, it is ONLY about speedruns and not filtered among perhaps hundreds of other videos on youtube (example) that gets shown before the speedrun video and people assume there is no speedruns for that game and ultimately lose interest. ultimately Speedrun.com is the BEST way to create and grow a community for a game that is being speedran.. of course you can speedrun a game without it being on this site. But for growing a community around a game being speedran this site is the best place for it.
As site mods you can't possibly know or understand each and every game here, what goes into optimizing them, finding glitches etc because every game is significantly different from one another... To just straight up say to people who work hard to make their game faster: This isn't notable so we're going to reject it. Is nothing but a punch in the gut from the people who is supposed to help the speedrun community grow.
The rules need clarification otherwise posts wondering why a game got rejected will keep appearing. The rejection messages need to explain in greater detail as to why it was rejected. To just say it wasn't notable. doesn't say anything and doesn't mean anything to the person who requested the game.
I am now speaking outside any area I'm somewhat familiar with and this is pure speculation: If the purpose of these rules were to ultimately keep the site from overflowing with games to keep the site "stable" aka from crashing. Wouldn't that issue be solved with the backing of the new (owners?) Seeing as the site have definitely become more stable since ELO(?) took over a couple weeks ago.
Ultimately the decisions are up the the site mods/owners of this site, however I can see no harm in actually defining what you mean with "short" to some degree.
yes you can continue the run if the game crashes, and I strongly recommend using the "speedacademy" patch made my sphere as it prevents memory leaks (crashing from saving/loading to much) aswell as other crashes.
Also if you're speedrunning this game, I suggest you join the discord server for this game. as you can get help way faster. permanent invite link to the discord is on the left
"Interesting how nobody responds to this, even though its obvious"
I'm sorry, what is obvious?
Regarding how the runs are faster than the "3hours and 40minutes of unskippable cutscenes". You just don't trigger all the cutscenes.
Alt tabbing at the start of a cutscene does not skip the entire cutscene, but rather a portion of it. Seems to slightly vary for each person. I personally use references during the cutscenes for when to alt tab. Like in the cutscene for Fangor during the evil Campaign. My reference is Treebeard entering the screen on fire.
Feel free to join the discord if you havn't already :)
There is a permanent invite link to the BFME discord in the menu to your left :)
Hello I would like to be added as a supermod for this game --> https://www.speedrun.com/lotrbme2
Reason: Maxuwashi (current supermod) hasn't been online on speedrun.com for 3months (at the time of Writing this)
Let me give some more details as what I wrote first gave no real reason to add me as a supermod. I am the supermod for BFME 1 the prequel to the game I wish to become supermod of. Myself along with others wish to include bfme2 into our speedrun arsenal and continue to grow the Community I made for BFME speedrunning when BFME 1 was accepted here on this site not long ago.
As stated above the current supermod has been inactive for atleast 3 months and there is no given way to Contact him on his profile (he only linked twitch and speedrunslive) and I would argue that twitch is an unoptional way to Contact someone. Along with what's stated on page 1 on this forum post : "Moderator inactivity doesn't apply until around 3 weeks, depending on other circumstances, and it is expected that you try to contact them (exceptions may be made if they have been offline ~3+ months.) " So I don't really feel obliged to go out of my way to Contact someone who I can only assume do not care given the 3month absence (Although I do acknolwedge that could be because of pesonal circumstances). But with the given information I doubt that since the last run on the BFME2 leaderboard is 2 years old and would argue a lack of interest is the cause. Where as my interest is fresh :)
Hey, if I remember correctly there is a "readme" file called "läsmig" but it should say "lasmig" instead. Change that and try again. If it works let me know and I'll update the forum post with the solution
This is the version we are running on aka "Escape from Yavin 4: The Lost Maps --> https://www.moddb.com/mods/escape-yavin-iv/downloads/escape-yavin-iv-the-lost-maps
This is the shorter version aka "Escape from Yavin 4, there is no category for this at the moment --> https://www.moddb.com/mods/escape-yavin-iv/downloads/escape-yavin-iv
Hi, I would like this game --> https://www.speedrun.com/Escape_from_Yavin_4_The_Lost_Maps to be added to this series --> https://www.speedrun.com/star_wars_jedi_knight as well as changing the game type to "modification" of "Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy" . Thank you :)
There is now a permanent invite link to the discord in the menu to your left :)
