NorwayNew skip discovered for Unholy Mountain
I was playing around in Makutsuin and i found a way to skip the 1st, 2nd and 3rd floor. Idk if it has already been discovered but i didn't see it in either of the runs.
Yeah having IL's would be fun for V2. I should work on that :D
I hate to immediately take back rules that was made a week ago xD.
Sadly the decision we made with Hyrule Code and UCF was made extremely quickly by us moderators. So those will be removed and instead be kept in either Category extensions or a separate sub category to the regular Adventure mode.
However some pretty good news. For the longest time. Our Melee Discord and Speedrun.com has taken different routes when it comes to submissions and ruleset. We have finally decided to team up and create a better ruleset that are a lot less strict. Mainly Emulation use. So a lot of rejected runs because of emulation rules will be looked over again.
Neither SRC nor the Stadium Discord has a fully updated ruleset. But we are currently working on making one.
This might also mean more potential categories for Category Extensions as well. Tho we don't have much set as of yet.
We hope you understand our mistake of a ruleset a week ago and are excited for a better more flexible ruleset.
Thank you all <3
In order to make the Adventure mode category more fun and less reset heavy. We have decided to allow the use of the Forced Triforce Room Location code, otherwise known as Hyrule Code. So for every run you submit to Adventure mode. You have to specify if you used Hyrule Code or Not. All runs prior to the change has been automatically set to "No hyrule code used" unless we know that the code was used.
We have also allowed the use of Universal Controller Fix (UCF) in all categories. But we figured it makes such a little change in gameplay that you won't have to specify if you used it or not.
Apologies for not seeing your post earlier. Apparently speedrun.com doesn't announce when a post is made.
1: That could be an interesting category to work on to have you sit through every single character. I do believe IGT for every character would be really tedious. Not only for the verifiers but for the runners themselves retiming the entire run. Also i might be mistaken here but if i remember correctly. Doesn't it give you some form of a checkmark on the 1-P mode menu when you beat every character? Like if you beat every character on Very Easy. You get a little blue circle next to the highscore? If so then we can use that to verify that you beat the entire cast of characters. Then you can start runs after Erasing the 1-P High Score tab. I am not sure if the category will be added as i have no clue if more than say 2 people would run it. But it is a good idea.
2: I don't really have an explanation why they look different as i was not here when it started. We could add that but i feel like it would look rather weird. Since the criteria for the Full Game and IL would technically be the same. Beat Classic as fast as possible. The only difference would be how it looks. I do see the appeal tho. Being able to compare only Fox or Marth runs so it doesn't get hidden behind the one character you did that was the fastest is a nice thought. One question i would have then is how would we treat the difference between the full game one and the IL one. Would we keep them both and just have the IL one as a nicer layout to the original one. Or would we add the potential Full Character category and have individual characters as IL like we do for Target Test and Events. The big issue with the last one is we would most likely have to change the main leaderboard as well then and that would take ages with the amount of runs that are there. Plus we could easily loose some of the runs.
I do appreciate you coming up with ideas tho and i agree that it would look a lot better and make it a lot more fun to run with every character
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Oh actually now that you mention it. Yeah. I for some reason didn't think about the fact you don't have all IL's on a new file. Okay fair enough. Thanks for letting me know so kindly tho. Highly appreciate it :D.
It is a little sad that you can't run the IL's before you have beaten the game tho. But to be fair i guess you shouldn't run a game you haven't beaten either
I looked around the IL records and i noticed that Any% In Bounds and Out Of Bounds seem to be NG+ with skills unlocked. Are there no actual Any% categories that has only the necessary unlocks unlocked?
Oh interesting. I personally have never seen that trick but yeah cool :D
For Category Extensions there are no set rule for what emulator to use. Some are better than others however. I am not quite sure on which ones people use but i know a good one is the slippi emulator as it cuts down a ton of load times for Real Time runs. All Trophies. All Characters etc. But for really any other category with an In Game Timer like the main categories in the 1-P Mode any emulator should be good enough.
I should mention tho just in case. 5.0 (Stable) is the only emulator allowed on the Original board with a few settings enabled in the rules. Category Extensions lets you use any.
Feel free to ask if you got any more questions :D
@davidvkimball Thank you for letting us know. Sadly since the SRC forums are horrible at giving notifications. I just received it 3 hours ago so that's why i haven't responded. I will be hearing with the other mods and we'll see what we choose to do. I see also that Pablo in their run submission shared a highlight list of both runs and claims that between the crash and the second run starting was approximately 5 minutes. I don't know as of yet if we'll include that as there is no way for us to really verify how long it truly was without having been there waiting til Pablo went live again. (Unless I'm mistaken)
Again tho. I will be checking it with the other mods and we'll see what we decide to do. Thanks again for letting us know
I don't think me or any of the other mods are too familiar with Iso loaders. Tho i have been using them myself. I can at least speak from the Mario Sunshine community that an iso loader depending on the situation is not allowed. For example. Nintendon't is not allowed with use of an ISO or a disc. Because you are able to enable some form of a fast read time to have loading zones go by quicker. I think the only iso loader they allow is Swiss but that is only for launching a Disc. Not an ISO.
That being said. I could 100% be wrong and this is only what i have heard from the Sunshine community. My thoughts is if we were to allow Nintendon't/Swiss. We would have to set it as a separate category. However we can't insure that the loading times will be the same for each run. If someone uses an ISO and one uses Disc with Nintendon't. We can't exactly explain which one would be faster and times may vary from one run to another.
@davidvkimball I know. Thought the winky face was an indicator that i understood it xD
@davidvkimball Sweet. Just submit it and we can get going from there ;D
It has now been done. Changed the Game Rules to state that the master hand glitch ban was only for All events and event IL's plus adding a rule in category rule that it's allowed for all trophies. Also changed it so you can submit to emu/console. If you notice something else that should be changed. Then feel free to let me know
Thank you for bringing this up. Yes the original board allows master hand so we will switch it here as well. I kinda just forgot too. So yes. I will also fix the console/emu stuff for RTA runs. Also about the dolphin emu. I don't see a reason to not allow them. I have done a few runs of All characters and i can already tell that it helps a bunch. And with having it be only on an emulator category. I don't see why we shouldn't allow the slippi one. CE is made for changing up the categories a bit. And i feel like all the ones you mentioned now only enhances the game to be a bit more fun and less restrictive. So again thank you for reminding me to do this.
