so I see that there is a Catagogy for Survival Mode... But No Rules have been defined.... which confused me because that is a game mode that is built on Lasting as long as you can... My question is, How can we come about making up rules or different rules? Say fastest to 30 Eliminations, by Pin or by Elimination... We could put our heads together & come up with something
As far as I can see, there actually isn't a Survival mode category (I've asked to have it added, but nothing happened). And I'd love to have it added because I'm fairly confident that I have world records in that category (they're all on twitch/youtube if you're so inclined to check them out).
Survival mode doesn't go on forever, by the way. It stops at 100 eliminations, and I've done it as fast as 30:00 on the in-game timer. I would love to have these scores on speedrun.com, but it's kind of a dead game at the moment...
Rules proposal: CAWs (create-a-wrestler) should be fair game, fastest time to 100 eliminations (total eliminations by both player and CPU, which isn't reflected on the counter on the top of the screen), and I suggest timing the runs based off the in-game timer, not an outside timer which is used on most games (I only say this because the lag can often times be quite bad and runs would be slower than what is actually shown on the timer within the game).
Hopefully someone can add this category at some point...
CAWs in Survival Mode should be allowed because it's you against the CPU and its RNG for over a half an hour, but I'd be okay with them not being allowed in the Championship Mode runs. Or better yet just have separate categories for each, therefore people can pick which one they want to focus on without being forced to do one or the other.
Would separate categories be a good compromise? I think running it as fast as possible should have its own any% at the very least.
So, are we ever going to get a Survival Mode category made? I don't specifically know who to contact about that.
Hey everyone, I wanted to apologize for not having any response to this since you have been asking. I forgot I was a mod on this game, since becoming one was a surprise I woke up to one day, but I’ll start doing this actively like I do for the other game I’m a moderator of. Not much of an excuse, in the end I haven’t been doing what you needed from me. Again, I apologize and I hope to rectify that.
On the topic of Survival mode. It has been a while since I’ve played that mode myself, so no matter what I want to get hands on with that mode before I make any new categories. I don’t think it’s responsible to make a category with vague memories of that particular mode. Since I’m on a short vacation I won’t be able to start up the game until early this coming week, but I’ll make it a priority so we can get this new category going. Having said that, I am seeing what you’ve proposed and here’s my thoughts on that.
I think a No-CAW’s and a CAW sub-category sounds great. Don’t see a problem with this at all.
If the game ends at 100 combined eliminations, including eliminations from CPU controlled characters, then that makes sense to have as the goal in the rules. It would probably just be “Complete the Survival Mode as fast as you can” if that’s the end of the mode. Since it’s a speedrun, it doesn’t matter really how many eliminations are from the runner and how many are from the CPU as long as you get to the end quickly. I intend on checking all this out when I get hands on the game.
As far as the timer goes, I’ll take a look at the IGT while playing through to see how certain things react and let you know my thoughts on that when I post back here before we make the categories. It’s an open to discussion thing, I’m not leaning either way here until I take a look.
While I’m looking at the mode I’ll take a look at anything else we might need rules on, if there is anything specific. If you can link the VOD’s for whatever runs you have on a response to this post @JoeReinreb I can take a look at those as well to get a head start on some of this.
I also wanted to say thanks to you @JoeReinreb for brining this to the site mods attention. Obviously, it needed to go there to get something accomplished, I’m sorry about that, but now we’ll get this taken care of.
I got hands on with Survival and here's my thoughts on the timer, and what I think the rules should be.
The in game timer is finicky and is't a good representation of the actual time it takes to do the match. I did a "run" on it and the IGT was pretty far off from RTA. With that in mind, and also because even single matches are timed via RTA in other games in the series, especially the AKI made games, I think we should keep consistent with that and time this category via RTA.
Otherwise, this is how I think the rules should look:
For the No-CAW category: "Complete Survival as fast as possible No Create A Wrestler's allowed Timer begins on character select and ends on the announcers final "elimination" decision."
For the CAW category: "Complete Survival as fast as possible Only Create A Wrestler's are allowed. Timer begins on character select and ends on the announcers final "elimination" decision."
Anyhow, let me know what you're thoughts are and we'll get this made.
While I'm not a huge fan of having to use a separate timer even though there's a timer in the game, I agree that the IGT is terrible and doesn't actually reflect a run. I've been using the IGT for all of my previous runs, so I'd have to do a conversion of sorts before I submit them.
Thanks for getting back to us! This is great news and I can't wait for this game to explode in popularity (ha)!
