Thanks for testing that. I'll remember it if I ever decide to do runs again.

Oof. I never saw this forum you posted. Sorry. But you're welcome. Thanks for the suggestions!

Technically, yes. A 4:54 is possible without the "simultaneous left+right" that isn't possible on the original hardware, so a human theoretically achieve it. Here is a human theory TAS:

It all comes down to personal preference, above all else. You can learn to play at the top level on either. Certain directional inputs on keyboard are easier, though. Spike jumps, for example, are a little more consistent, but there's not a huge difference overall. Play with whatever you're comfortable with.

Good question. You're actually the first person to bring this up.

This mainly had to do with changes in moderation. The rules for Break The Targets were created before I came around, and we never changed them. I'm the one that added 10 and 100 Man Melee, and thus made the rules for them. We definitely need videos for WRs of these modes, since they're longer, RNG based, and WRs without videos are less believable.

I wouldn't be opposed to adding the WR video rule to Break The Targets going forward. I suppose we'd just make it not affect the runs already up. I'd like to hear more opinions on this.

This game gets updated pretty often. There have been 4 versions of Beta so far, and a new one coming soon. It would be unfair and a ton of work to remove all previous version runs each time the game updates. It would also but a ton of work and make the boards extremely cluttered to add new categories every time.

What we're doing currently to make things easy and fair for everyone is allowing any version. So any run under a "Beta" category can use any version of Beta that's been released (1.0.1, 1.0.2, 1.0.3, and 1.1 at the moment). Luckily, past versions of the game are saved and archived for anyone to download after they're obsolete.

This may not be the best solution, and it may change in the future. I've thought about what else to do about this, but I can't really think of anything better right now. Any suggestions would be welcome, and would be taken into consideration.

I agree with Pokemonmaster.

I have nothing else to say. Any future runs with any suspected usage of savestates, or any mods for that matter, will be rejected. We might end up going back to not allowing emulator runs if this problem persists...

I have nothing personal against you but you're making it personal...

titanshark: there is no rule about that but okay titanshark: You should definitely state that in the rules because it's not there titanshark: Thanks for blasting like 7 of my runs. titanshark: For a rule that does't exist titanshark: You're such a good mod dude titanshark: You have bad night buddy? You can't just make up fucking rules titanshark: Just because you play on a shitty ass Wii that can't save states titanshark: whatever I am still WR holder I can't believe you man titanshark: that's outrageous man titanshark: you can't say something is not allowed when it isn't in the rules titanshark: You are such an asshole dude. No one wants to run this stupid fucking game anyways. titanshark: Be sure to actually have clear rules next time you absolute loser titanshark: that's pretty disgusting dude but whatever titanshark: enjoy modding a dying game titanshark: with no community titanshark: ill be taking down all of my runs because you're such a fucking douchebag titanshark: its not in the rules titanshark: You got mad that you can't get any good times. So you took down my WR. titanshark: You need to add that "rule" to the actual list of rules titanshark: I will be seeing if i can overrule you man. You're a real jerk for doing this. titanshark: You're just jealous man. Very sad to see. You should just try and improve or get and emulator running rather than deleting my runs and calling me a cheater titanshark: I'm gonna see if i can ovverule you. You're an asshole and making up rules that you know aren't tehre titanshark: So we'll see how this goes for ya titanshark: You can't just get salty and make up rules Slippy titanshark: Sorry dude titanshark: at least your 2nd place again even tho you're trash LUL titanshark: gratz Slippy! Today, 9:31:30 AM titanshark: at least other people will see how corrupt you are on the forums now. titanshark: hopefully i can save some people from trusting you titanshark: he who makes up rules on the spot LUL titanshark: don't come into my stream again dude. titanshark: you'll be banned on the spot titanshark: Delete Ian's record then you'll finally have WR titanshark: Might as well considering you had no right to take down my run titanshark: and its the only way you'll ever be #1

It's not explicitly stated in the rules, but using save-states is not allowed... across any speedrun. That either makes the run segmented or tool-assisted (or both depending on the game/mode). Save states make it not a legit run. It makes it so you know whats coming so there's no challenge, and gives an obvious advantage over actual console runs.

I can't believe I have to explain all this. I guess I do need to add it to the rules. Your runs aren't going back up, though. We're not accepting any runs with any kind of cheating, intentional or not. I talked to other mods and they agree with me.

I would've given you the benefit of the doubt and thought it was unintentional, but seeing all the rude comments you sent me on Twitch and the terrible way you've handled all of this, it's made me think otherwise.

Do it again and you're gonna end up getting banned from the site.

No problem. We're always willing to hear feedback, and possibly take it into consideration if it's agreed apon.

I just hope this doesn't deter anyone from submitting runs. It's nothing personal against people like Kaneda_Charles. We were actually gonna keep his runs up (except the the 1st place ones), but not allow runs like that going forward. Looks like he himself ended up deleting them all.

As for Kaneda Charles's runs, they've been removed. He was a trusted member of the community, but we can't continue to make exceptions for people. Rules are rules.

Once again, thank you for the input. I'll be discussing all these things with the other mods more in depth, and more changes will be coming in the future.

Hey, nordanix, thank you for giving your feedback and opinions on this matter. We appreciate all the input. Now to address these issues.

The runs from Ravenyte and pyh189 are legit. Videos of their times exist, they just haven't been linked on the site yet. This has been the case long before I became a mod of this game. It's something I've been meaning to do, but just haven't gotten around to it because of how busy my personal life has been lately. This will be one of the 1st things I'll change. I'm gonna make sure all their runs are linked.

As for the RTA vs IGT issue, I know it's a problem. The leaderboards were cluttered with submissions that were in 1 or the other. I recently changed it to make it so they all appeared under 1 timing slot, with the intention of taking off the IGT slot, making it so there's only 1 submission area that just says "Time." However, I wasn't sure how to do this without making all the IGT times across the entire game go away, so I didn't try for fear of messing the whole game up. For now, the easy fix will be to state in the rules how to submit runs. I will have to change all the times to In-Game-Time in the future if this continues to be a big issue.

The game does that for everyone, even on the best PCs. You have to close the game out every so often and reload it for it to run smoothly again.

McLeod Gaming is gonna fix this in the next major update they're gonna do for the game.

New Update: Level Leaderboard

The leaderboards for the individual levels have been cleaned up. The “In-game time” slot has been removed from the boards to make them look neater and make the records accurate/consistent. We will still use the IGT/on screen time for ranking our times, but it will now show up under “Real time.”

From now on when you submit your times for Event Match, Target Test, 10-Man Melee, and 100-Man Melee, make sure you put your time in the time slot that just says “Time,” and not the one that says “In-game time.” The timing methods for all of the Full-game Leaderboards will stay the same.

If you do decide to have more verifiers/mods in the future for SSF/SSF2, I could help. I have a lot of free time as well, and check the site very often. I'm a mod for Melee, so I'm trustworthy. :)

I completely agree with changing All-Star and Boss Battles to IGT. I have no preference when it comes to Classic.

I think that's a good change. Makes the leaderboards look neater in my opinion.

I see both sides. I do think at the very least a new category should be added. We could call it NG++, or maybe NG+ (Level 99) and re-name the current NG+ - NG+ (Level 1)? I'd like to have some sort of category in which you can use however high of a level character you want to play through normal mode. You'd have to do every required level, of course. There would also be no skipping ahead to shops and stuff that normally wouldn't be accessible at that point.

Maybe this is just me, but I also think quitting out of the level early (when the stats come up) shouldn't be allowed in this new category, either. It wouldn't seem right.

^ Spot-on. Also, one thing I would like to see added would be a character slot in the submission. The "DLC Yes or No" seems completely unnecessary, too. This could be easily fixed with the replacement of this column with a character column.